Nested tickets
Dec 14, 2017, 4:52 am
#121
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I have done it before (domestically) (one trip was personal than i flew and when i connected the other trip/ticket was work) and I am doing it in 2018 for international trips
i.e. bought JFK-Europe and then separately bought my domestic to get up to JFK. No different than you buying a flight to JFK on AA and then to Europe on DL,
One good thing about DL is they will check your bag through for you even with two separate tickets (the other domestic airlines wont)
i.e. bought JFK-Europe and then separately bought my domestic to get up to JFK. No different than you buying a flight to JFK on AA and then to Europe on DL,
One good thing about DL is they will check your bag through for you even with two separate tickets (the other domestic airlines wont)
Dec 17, 2017, 11:03 am
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Dec 17, 2017, 11:39 am
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Basically "positioning flights" (what you are doing, sep. tickets to get to the airports that have good fares) are perfectly legal. Also, side trips (if you were to buy a ticket JNB<>XXX while in JNB) are fine.
What the nested rules are designed for is the commuter flying XXX-YYY RT M-F for several weeks. The M-F is more expensive, so instead the pax figures he can interleave tickets over a few weeks and thus always get the cheap Saturday stay fares. And this the airlines do not like.
Dec 17, 2017, 11:39 am
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An example, I book ATL-JFK rt up Thursday and back Tuesday. Then I book a JFK-ATL rt for Friday and Monday. In that scenario, I am violating a Saturday stay requirement because my intention is really 2 day trips to NYC from ATL (up thurs, back fri, then up mon, back tue).
Your scenario does NOT violate any Saturday stay requirement because your "nested" ticket doesn't return you home in the interim, it sends you to DUB.
Dec 17, 2017, 11:44 am
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Again, your scenario doesn't violate this rule and is perfectly legal.
Dec 17, 2017, 11:49 am
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Yes.
Basically "positioning flights" (what you are doing, sep. tickets to get to the airports that have good fares) are perfectly legal. Also, side trips (if you were to buy a ticket JNB<>XXX while in JNB) are fine.
What the nested rules are designed for is the commuter flying XXX-YYY RT M-F for several weeks. The M-F is more expensive, so instead the pax figures he can interleave tickets over a few weeks and thus always get the cheap Saturday stay fares. And this the airlines do not like.
Basically "positioning flights" (what you are doing, sep. tickets to get to the airports that have good fares) are perfectly legal. Also, side trips (if you were to buy a ticket JNB<>XXX while in JNB) are fine.
What the nested rules are designed for is the commuter flying XXX-YYY RT M-F for several weeks. The M-F is more expensive, so instead the pax figures he can interleave tickets over a few weeks and thus always get the cheap Saturday stay fares. And this the airlines do not like.
Dec 17, 2017, 12:50 pm
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are there really that many fares that still have an explicit Saturday night stay rule (i.e., “Return travel not permitted earlier than the first Sunday following departure from point of origin” or similar language)?
Dec 17, 2017, 1:09 pm
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Most certainly quite a substantial number of such fares.
Dec 17, 2017, 3:35 pm
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TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN THE FIRST SUN AFTER ARRIVAL AT TURNAROUND.
Or
TRAVEL FROM INBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN THE FIRST SUN AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR
So far, nobody's nested tickets seem to be violating a minimum stay requirement, so they should be good.
Dec 17, 2017, 6:10 pm
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When I did this, I didn't know it violated DL's rules. However, they were offering a DCA-JFK-MXP and return ticket for $1.4k; at the same time, a DCA-JFK RT was $142.00, and a JFK-MXP RT was $508.00. So I booked the cheaper option and saved about $800 per person.
Most recently, I bought a DCA-SEA RT. Just to do it, I took the public bus outside the DL baggage claim at SEA to Tacoma, walked 1/4 mile to the Amtrak station there, took the Cascades to Portland and connected onto the Empire Builder running along the north side of the Columbia River and on to Spokane, and then bought a one way DL ticket GEG-SEA-YVR, and then took the Amtrak "Thruway Bus" back to King Street Station (this was actually like a chauffeured sedan, as only 9 pax were on board; the only stop was at CBP in Blaine, WA, where we visited with the staff there and had our baggage x-rayed); then walked over to the light rail station for the 30 minute ride south to SEA.
Most recently, I bought a DCA-SEA RT. Just to do it, I took the public bus outside the DL baggage claim at SEA to Tacoma, walked 1/4 mile to the Amtrak station there, took the Cascades to Portland and connected onto the Empire Builder running along the north side of the Columbia River and on to Spokane, and then bought a one way DL ticket GEG-SEA-YVR, and then took the Amtrak "Thruway Bus" back to King Street Station (this was actually like a chauffeured sedan, as only 9 pax were on board; the only stop was at CBP in Blaine, WA, where we visited with the staff there and had our baggage x-rayed); then walked over to the light rail station for the 30 minute ride south to SEA.
Dec 17, 2017, 6:26 pm
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Yes, they do.
But, they are talking about the TICKET and FARE - not what the person does. The PERSON can fly back and forth daily if they want. The RT ticket and the corresponding RETURN PORTION has rules.
Dec 18, 2017, 11:30 am
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JFK-CLE (one-way)
That way, if there's IRROPS on the outbound, you're protected. On the return, it's less of an issue (relatively easy to get from NYC to CLE).
Jan 5, 2018, 4:19 pm
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So it's legal flight and I purchased the JNB part and the ORD to XXX. Plan to fly to WAS night before and trying to decide which flight to choose. Last flight makes sense but leaves no room for error. If there is an IRROPs situation, would DL get me to JNB another way if I couldn't make the XXX to WAS segment the night before. Other option is to choose earlier flight to WAS but by the time trip comes, it seems like most flights are full anyway.
GM on DL and Biz class to JNB if makes any difference
Last edited by DLX5; Jan 5, 2018 at 4:34 pm