Sep 17, 2018, 11:55 am
Last edit by: N515CR
Delta 777-200ER/LR Conversions to 7HD & 7HB. Pre-mods config is 37J/36W/218Y. For all the ERs and the first LR, post-mods config was initially 28J/48W/220Y (7HD/7HB). The post-mods config for all ERs and LRs is now 28J/48W/90Y+/122Y (7CD/7CB).
Modifications are taking place at SIN and the entry and exit dates are based on SIN time (GMT + 8 hrs). Comfort + installation was done at ATL on all the 7HD>7CD conversions, and on 7106 (7HB>7CB). The remaining 9 LRs had the C + cabins installed at SIN.
777-200ER: 8/8 7CD
N860DA 7001 - Entered Jan 2 2019...finished Feb 3 2019. Entered ATL March 12 2019 for C + installation...finished March 15 2019. Expected wfu 05 Oct 2020.
N861DA 7002 - Entered Jan 14 2019...finished Feb 17 2019. Entered ATL March 13 2019 for C + installation...finished March 17 2019. Permanently wfu on 17 March 2020.
N862DA 7003 - Entered Nov 29 2018...finished Jan 5 2019. Entered ATL March 6 2019 for C + installation...finished March 10 2019.
N863DA 7004 - Entered Feb 17 2018...finished June 6 2018. Entered ATL Feb 17 2019 for C + installation...finished March 3 2019. Permanently wfu on 22 September 2020.
N864DA 7005 - Entered Sept 18 2018...finished Oct 22 2018. Entered ATL March 3 2019 for C + installation...finished March 7 2019. Expected wfu 05 Oct 2020.
N865DA 7006 - Entered Nov 16 2018...finished Dec 18 2018. Entered ATL Feb 21 2019 for C + installation...finished Feb 27 2019.
N866DA 7007 - Entered Oct 24 2018...finished Nov 27 2018. Entered ATL Jan 28 2019 for C + installation...finished Feb 16 2019.
N867DA 7008 - Entered Feb 4 2019...finished March 11 2019. Entered ATL March 25 2019 for C + installation...finished March 30 2019.
777-200LR: 10/10 7CB
N701DN 7101 - Entered Sept 14 2019...finished Oct 31 2019...C +.
N702DN 7102 - Entered Nov 8 2019...finished December 29 2019...C +.
N703DN 7103 - Entered Oct 18 2019...finished December 13 2019. C +.
N704DK 7104 - Entered April 4 2019...finished May 4 2019...C +. Permanently wfu on 16 March 2020.
N705DN 7105 - Entered Feb 25 2018...finished March 28 2019...C +. Permanently wfu on 22 March 2020.
N706DN 7106 - Entered Sept 6 2018...finished Nov 1 2018. Entered ATL for C + installation March 1 2019...C + finished March 14 2019. Permanently wfu on 16 March 2020.
N707DN 7107 - Entered March 23 2019...finished April 23 2019...C +.
N708DN 7108 - Entered Dec 20 2019...finished Feb 5 2020...C +.
N709DN 7109 - Entered Jan 3 2020..finished Feb 8 2020...C +.
N710DN 7110 - Entered Nov 18 2019...finished Dec 24 2019...C +.
Modifications are taking place at SIN and the entry and exit dates are based on SIN time (GMT + 8 hrs). Comfort + installation was done at ATL on all the 7HD>7CD conversions, and on 7106 (7HB>7CB). The remaining 9 LRs had the C + cabins installed at SIN.
777-200ER: 8/8 7CD
N860DA 7001 - Entered Jan 2 2019...finished Feb 3 2019. Entered ATL March 12 2019 for C + installation...finished March 15 2019. Expected wfu 05 Oct 2020.
N861DA 7002 - Entered Jan 14 2019...finished Feb 17 2019. Entered ATL March 13 2019 for C + installation...finished March 17 2019. Permanently wfu on 17 March 2020.
N862DA 7003 - Entered Nov 29 2018...finished Jan 5 2019. Entered ATL March 6 2019 for C + installation...finished March 10 2019.
N863DA 7004 - Entered Feb 17 2018...finished June 6 2018. Entered ATL Feb 17 2019 for C + installation...finished March 3 2019. Permanently wfu on 22 September 2020.
N864DA 7005 - Entered Sept 18 2018...finished Oct 22 2018. Entered ATL March 3 2019 for C + installation...finished March 7 2019. Expected wfu 05 Oct 2020.
N865DA 7006 - Entered Nov 16 2018...finished Dec 18 2018. Entered ATL Feb 21 2019 for C + installation...finished Feb 27 2019.
N866DA 7007 - Entered Oct 24 2018...finished Nov 27 2018. Entered ATL Jan 28 2019 for C + installation...finished Feb 16 2019.
N867DA 7008 - Entered Feb 4 2019...finished March 11 2019. Entered ATL March 25 2019 for C + installation...finished March 30 2019.
777-200LR: 10/10 7CB
N701DN 7101 - Entered Sept 14 2019...finished Oct 31 2019...C +.
N702DN 7102 - Entered Nov 8 2019...finished December 29 2019...C +.
N703DN 7103 - Entered Oct 18 2019...finished December 13 2019. C +.
N704DK 7104 - Entered April 4 2019...finished May 4 2019...C +. Permanently wfu on 16 March 2020.
N705DN 7105 - Entered Feb 25 2018...finished March 28 2019...C +. Permanently wfu on 22 March 2020.
N706DN 7106 - Entered Sept 6 2018...finished Nov 1 2018. Entered ATL for C + installation March 1 2019...C + finished March 14 2019. Permanently wfu on 16 March 2020.
N707DN 7107 - Entered March 23 2019...finished April 23 2019...C +.
N708DN 7108 - Entered Dec 20 2019...finished Feb 5 2020...C +.
N709DN 7109 - Entered Jan 3 2020..finished Feb 8 2020...C +.
N710DN 7110 - Entered Nov 18 2019...finished Dec 24 2019...C +.
Delta confirms first route with 777 offering Delta One Suites, Premium Select, Comfort+ and Main Cabin: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1949190-tailored-travel-delta-debut-first-aircraft-all-four-seat-experiences-marc.html
777 D1 Suite PS + Comfort+ retrofit consolidated thread
Dec 13, 2018, 9:14 pm
#346
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Good news for everyone lamenting the lacking of C+ on newly refurbished widebodies:
At investor's day today, Glen Hauenstein announced that Delta will next week get back its first widebody with "five cabins" — which is really four cabins:
Basic Economy
Main Cabin
Comfort+
Premium Select
Delta One Suites.
It's a refurbished 777
https://twitter.com/e_russell/status...19296623558656
At investor's day today, Glen Hauenstein announced that Delta will next week get back its first widebody with "five cabins" — which is really four cabins:
Basic Economy
Main Cabin
Comfort+
Premium Select
Delta One Suites.
It's a refurbished 777
https://twitter.com/e_russell/status...19296623558656
Dec 13, 2018, 10:03 pm
#347
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Are we sure about that? Those could have been properly positioned, because I don't believe there will be any change in the number of rows. It's literally just adjusting the seats. They could have easily put the PSUs in the correct spot and adjusted row spacing to make it work in the short-term while they waited for the C+ to be installed.
I'm not saying it's not. If someone from the inside says they have to move, I totally believe it. But my understanding was they knew from the very beginning that the layout without C+ would only be temporary, and made accommodations to make adjusting the main cabin and adding C+ very simple.
I'm not saying it's not. If someone from the inside says they have to move, I totally believe it. But my understanding was they knew from the very beginning that the layout without C+ would only be temporary, and made accommodations to make adjusting the main cabin and adding C+ very simple.
I agree tho, it's very strange that they are making this change on such a new config. I have trouble understanding the reasoning
Dec 14, 2018, 4:16 am
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Dec 14, 2018, 6:00 am
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I would optimistically say that Delta realized that Elites that were traveling in Y were booking away - but that's a stretch and there's not a good way to measure leakage. There are a couple of routes where Delta flies both C+ and non-C+ planes and perhaps they could observe that elites avoided these new planes like the plague. I know I personally took a less convenient time/routing to get C+ on one trip, and I booked away from Delta on another because of the lack of C+ (took United instead where I get E+ for free as a Gold).
I don't think this is a very good explanation though as I feel like Delta would just shrug and say "meh" to it. I can't imagine that it is changing behavior too much (I'm 6' 4" so C+ is just a necessity - I spend enough 5 hours flights in regular Y domestically and I couldn't do it much longer than that). But Delta is demonstrably losing business from me at least, and I used to pay a premium for Delta flights (because living in Atlanta it is usually a better routing). But I'll happily skip the $1700 nonstop without C+ and hop over to a United flight for $1200 with a quick connection if the flight time is 8+ hours. For a 15 hour TPAC, it's a no brainer.
Perhaps the objective is that I will finally succumb and pay for Premium Select. Maybe they're right, but since I still can't sleep in Premium Select, the value prop is limited. A 60%+ premium for marginal extra comfort (over C+) is not a good value prop to me. A 60%+ premium for significant extra comfort (over Y) is, but when there are other options at significantly lower costs all it is doing is pushing me to other airlines.
Last edited by ethernal; Dec 14, 2018 at 6:06 am
Dec 14, 2018, 8:51 am
#352
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Remember that only DM and PM get advanced upgrades to C+, so I bet a lot of people actually do just buy it on long hauls. As a GM, I would certainly not wait until 72 hours, I'd just buy it. I don't even consider it a real GM benefit, to be honest. The only time I've really taken advantage of is when I am actually booking within 72 hours.
Dec 14, 2018, 8:53 am
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There appears to be a lot of slack in the 777 fleet right now. There are only 12/18 currently flying. 7001, N860DA, has been at ATL since 12th December. 7002, N861DA, has been at ATL since 13th December. 7003, N862DA, has been at SIN since 29th November for mods, and is scheduled to exit in January. 7006, N865DA, has been at SIN since 16th November for mods, and is scheduled to exit next week. 7008, N867DA, has been at ATL since 9th December. 7105, N705DN, has been at AMA since 8th December for painting.
Last edited by audidudi; Dec 14, 2018 at 11:14 am
Dec 14, 2018, 10:36 am
#354
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There appears to be a lot of slack in the 777 fleet right now. There are only 12/18 currently flying.<br /><br />7001, N860DA, has been at ATL since 12th December.<br />7002, N861DA, has been at ATL since 13th December.<br />7003, N862DA, has been at SIN since 29th November for mods, and is scheduled to exit in January.<br />7006, N865DA, has been at SIN since 16th November for mods, and is scheduled to exit next week.<br />7008, N867DA, has been at ATL since 9th December.<br />7105, N705DN, has been at AMA since 8th December for painting.
With two A350s and two A330neos joining the fleet before summer, I am curious if they will just bust out the rest of the 777 fleet during the summer.
Dec 14, 2018, 11:03 am
#356
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I haven't been on an updated 777, but the A350s definitely don't have several mysterious rows with extra legroom for no obvious reason. I assume they will lose 1 row of seating when C+ gets added.
I agree tho, it's very strange that they are making this change on such a new config. I have trouble understanding the reasoning
I agree tho, it's very strange that they are making this change on such a new config. I have trouble understanding the reasoning
Mr. Bastian’s particular seat had 1 more inch of legroom than Mr. Parker’s, too. Delta’s 777-200s have some rows temporarily set at 32 inches of seat pitch instead of the airline’s standard 31 inches. That inch will disappear when more extra-legroom coach seating arrives, leaving standard coach all at 31 inches.
Dec 14, 2018, 11:56 am
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Dec 14, 2018, 12:36 pm
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Dec 14, 2018, 1:26 pm
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Ok, I read it to mean 'if there's slack due to 350s/339s, they'll try to do the remaining 777 mods during the summer vs in the past where they've not been able to do so'.
Dec 14, 2018, 1:31 pm
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If there's slack due to 350s/339s, they'll try to do the remaining 777 mods during the summer vs in the past where they've not been able to do so.