readywhenyouare

Are you kidding me? This is the dumbest thing to come out of Delta in a while.

hockeyinsider

Paying $2619 to fly between JFK and SEA is insane.

btonkid12345

Agreed. And another awful devaluation for Medallions. Totally shameful on Delta, that AA provides EXPs with comp upgrades JFK-LAX yet DMs now have 7 routes (possibly 8 if BOS-LAX is added even 1x/day) where complimentary upgrades have now been removed.

apodo77

if this is true that is a good way of looking at it.
Delta sure thinks they are a cream of the crop airline.

SJC ORD LDR

This makes no sense. LAX and SFO are business destinations and both cities have money. SEA failed. LAS is a leisure destination, and SAN doesn't have the demographics that LAX and SFO do in order for this to succeed IMO. Heck, I think SEA makes more sense than SAN and SEA already failed. What are they thinking?

I'm not saying this because I won't get upgrades and I will never fly any of the affected routes. I just think this is terrible from a business point of view.

3Cforme

How many domestic AA routes get lie-flats where EXPs get free upgrades?

flyerCO

AA only upgrades to their business cabin, which is equal to Domestic FC except with lay flat. No upgraded meals/service, 2/2 seating, etc. AAs more or less equal to D1 (Transcon First) doesn't get upgrades for free to the cabin.

I think some of these new D1 are dumb. SEA already flopped, due to same mistake they're repeating, price. SEA will happily pay for FC, but $2200 for D1 is more than they're willing. Only market ex-SEA I could see this working is MIA.

LAS is not a premium heavy market. Of any of these, SAN is the only that makes sense.

B6s MINT works due to their pricing. Till DL learns that these new D1 routes are IMO destin to fail.

caburrito

Friday, Memorial Weekend, SAN-JFK:

Delta: $968 757 lie flats
JetBlue: $1099 320 lie flats

Friday, Memorial Weekend JFK-SAN:
Delta: $769 757 lie flats
JetBlue: $1099 320 lie flats, if you leave 8 hours later, it's $500 cheaper.

hockeyinsider

The JetBlue product is marginally better, especially because it has some single seats. Plus, Delta's miles are so devalued anymore that there's no point in paying the premium to collect Sky Miles, which have about as much value as the Venezuelan currency these days. Regardless, how many companies will let their employees outright buy business-class/first-class for 5-5 1/2 hours of domestic flying?

bennos

I agree. DL couldn't make JFK-SEA stick when they were the only "premium lie flat" carrier on the route, it's hard to believe it would work with both DL and B6. DL could be intentionally trying to chase B6 off the routes by trashing premium yields.

Eh, B6's pricing isn't what it once was. I usually find B6 more expensive on the CA TCON routes.

Zorak

There was also this, which you posted in the 763ER thread

Mountain Explorer

All you guys saying that DL already tried JFK-SEA and it failed, you sure do give up easily!

SEA is a substantially larger operation than it was, and it's only going to keep growing. Building a new hub takes time. It's got a flagship Skyclub now, and once the IAF opens, I expect we'll see several new Asia routes. As the 330neos arrive, I think we'll see some upgauging from 767s too.

xliioper

Look carefully at the actual flight-listing -- it says "First Class", not "Delta One". Only the heading at the top says "Delta One", and the reason is that some of the flight options on this route are actual D1 fares because they involve routes like JFK-SFO-SEA or JFK-LAX-SEA. If you scan down the flight listings, you will find a couple such options. Only if there are no possible D1 options will the heading say "First Class". The heading at the top itself is not sufficient to tell if a route is D1 or not. If you look at the actual fare code for the flight (not the fare class), it's an F0 fare, not J0. There are cheaper discount fares on this route on this date, for example, fare code BA03A0FQ for a discounted D fare. If this was a D1 route the second to last character would be a D, not an F.

https://pro.delta.com/content/agency...structure.html

JHIN

thats correct. The market must have a strong substantial premium yield otherwise I doubt Jetblue would bring Mint to this route. So times have certainly changed since Delta tried this before.

Having flown both products I like Deltas seats better than Jetblue but I do like Jetblues food better than DL or AA for transcon. But Jetblue wins for me if I can get a single seat, otherwise I’ll take Delta. I’ve also noticed ne current daily 757 on UAL with lie flats. I think its the BE Aerospace seat like other carriers with a redeye west to east and a late afternoon east to west. Never flown UA so cant compare.

davetravels

Dare I say . . . . . that . . . .

I'm sure potential non-revs are LUVVVVVVVIN' this news!