kennyx

couldnt find anything online... but does anyone have any info or details on premium economy on the new 777's for next year? Couldnt find any info on seat configuration, etc...?

weero

Well it's not for me. I even find today's Biz seats a waste of space and fuel .
But look how airlines a scaling back on F products across the board and that includes Euro carriers and Asian carriers.

jdrtravel

Nothing has been publicized yet.

hockeyinsider

The real game-changer would be if Delta or, just more airlines, offered the "sofa" option in economy-class, like China Airlines, Air New Zealand and others. Basically, you can buy a row of economy-class seats that are engineered and designed to turn into a large bed, meant for families with kids. I think that would be much more desirable than premium-economy.

As it stands now, some of the ridiculously cheap Asian airfares mean you could just buy three or four economy-class seats for less than business-class and have a poor man's flat-bed.

Air France's business-class product on the A380 is the worst. Definitely a better value to buy premium-economy.

Like not providing pillows and blankets on daytime flights back to the United States.

In general, I find Virgin Atlantic to be so-so at best, despite its great marketing. Yes, it has amazing lounges but you don't get the advertised Virgin Atlantic experience if you fly into Manchester. Nor did you receive it when Virgin Atlantic tried flying to Detroit, Chicago and elsewhere a year or two ago. I know quite a few people who booked business-class and were disappointed, not least because Delta's seats are better than Virgin Atlantic.

I wouldn't pay for Virgin Atlantic business-class, but I would pay for Virgin Atlantic's premium-economy. Not because the service is good. Again, it's so-so. Not providing a pillow on daytime flights is cheap. But the extra-wide seat and the new 787 aircraft are worth it. And in my experience, a much better value than business-class. You can get premium-economy on the 787 for $1,100-$1,400 round-trip. I've paid that for economy-class on Delta.

bennos

Some people like it, some people don't. IME the hard shell is a win, meaning the seat in front of you doesn't encroach on your space, especially for daytime flights. But definitely YMMV.

The old 767 J seat (assuming you mean the "Barcalounger") is a 2000s era product, and mostly not comparable to the 1980s era seats being discussed upthread.

I've done that (well, only two seats, I couldn't convince myself to buy the third) to HKG, and it's functionally equivalent to Premium Economy (if you get Comfort+ or equivalent). Well, except you get two screens (map + movie!).

hockeyinsider

With many of these airfares between $300-$500, you could for $1,500 buy a row of three seats and carry-on a small mattress pad, pillow and blanket. You would be very, very comfortable for 14 hours.

jdrtravel

I recently got SFO-LHR on the VS 787 for $900. Purchased many months in advance, so you have to be able to do that, but if you can, a fantastic deal.

minnyfly

No, what was discussed and I quoted was about the previous J product (emphasis mine).

C W

There is a long discussion here, but it is known definitively from FAA filings that the 772s will have 28 J suites, 48 PS seats, and 220 Main Cabin seats.

If you read through the discussion it is established with a high degree of confidence that there will be 6 rows of 2-4-2 PS and Main Cabin will remain 9-across.

cavemanzk

NZ owns the patent for converting 3 Y seats into an bed via fold up foot resets, basically anyone else that wants todo so must pay NZ for the right todo so.

Hence why China Airlines is the only other airline to offer the product, they also will not sell the product to any airline that has routes that conflict NZ's target markets.

The SkyCouch is pretty average, and you have to be two short & slim adults to be make to make use of it, NZ's PE hard product is much more comfortable and provides an bussiness lite meal service etc.

af fp

Although the AF seat has issues, it is wider and noone can kick your back. With a reclining seat I would be too worried that some inferior being to my side or in my back would invade my personal volume, prevent me from reclining or kick my back. So I would really want the last row with Delta.

I noted that the TPG reviewer kept boasting about champagne, with a capital C please, but never gave the brand. I expect that he was lying and taking a DL kickback, I am pretty sure they serve some foul bubbly from the smelly world.

I might try it one day, if it is really cheap, unless I read rave reviews. I Admit though that the food looks good and the large screen seems nice.

hockeyinsider

I take everything I read on The Points Guy with a huge grain of salt. I think One Mile at a Time is much more honest in reviews.

C W

TPG is lowest-common-denominator trash whose reviews’ only purpose is to glamorize premium travel to sell credit cards. I’d never take anything from them objectively and no experienced traveler should be regularly reading it. The obligatory ansinine photo of him sipping champagne while giving the camera a shifty side-eye is emblematic of their purpose.

It’s not a DL bribe.

SSF556

af fp

Thanks for your replies. I thus assume that DL did not pay TPG... but that they don’t serve champagne in PE.