fliesdelta

Uh.

Okay.

ATOBTTR

That was my point though - Why do people on here care about "manufacturing" a foreign address? Leave it to Delta to figure it out if it they think such people are bending the rules too far and thus need to redefine what constitutes a foreign address. I think a lot of the people who are getting upset at those who can "manufacture" a foreign address are mad because they can't or don't know how to do it themselves.

And no, I'm not someone who could or is going "manufacture" a foreign address. But I don't know what value is gained by being upset at people who can or do. Goood for them for working within the rules of the system.

Zorak

What deception or false representation is involved when people put spend on their credit cards?

HWGeeks

Manufactured spend is equal to a manufactured address. Both get you the same result.

miraclebear2003

You are joking, right?

DesertNomad

I have a foreign address as I own an apartment in Europe where I lived from 2002 to 2015. I still have the apartment but it is rented out to a tenant. I switched my address to my US address with Delta in 2015. Sure, I could game the system, but I don't want to lose all my miles and my pattern of flying makes it obvious that I am not in Europe. I don't know if Delta could/would figure it out.

Zorak

That's great, but you didn't actually answer the question. There's an important qualitative difference.

xliioper

DL could have probably cleared things up if they had used the term "primary residence" in the program T&C's which has a pretty specific definition. I'm pretty sure that's what they mean and they do actually use that term in a couple places outside the official T&C's for promos.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_residence

"The MQD requirement for Medallion status applies to members with a primary residence in the United States (50 states and the District of Columbia) only."

https://www.delta.com/loyaltypromos/...ourstatusterms

HWGeeks

The difference isn't important this is a discussion on airline miles, not life or death. To think that the difference is important just shows you're a hypocrite.

People manufacture spend to cheat/game and people manufacture addresses to cheat/game the system, it's as simple as that. Both are considered scams, but if you want to make yourself feel good and imagine there is an important difference than by all means go ahead.

flyerCO

However DL then defines primary residence as being the primrary address on file. If DL wanted to use another definition they could've.

Zorak

I don't actually do any MS. All my credit card spend (enough for the waiver, but much less than 6 figures) is "organic".

Still waiting for a rational explanation of how charging things to a credit card in accordance with the credit card agreement is cheating, fraudulent, or deceptive.

IMO, it's mind boggling that anyone capable of logical thought would think the distinction is NOT critically important (to the discussion, obviously not life-and-death critical)... but if that's what you think, whatever I guess.

Orange County Commuter

I'm actually looking forward to it. The DYKWIA Outcry when Delta says "no" will be epic.

thesaints

Until Delta publishes their own definition of "residency" it is the legal definitions according to the various authorities that count.

For one, the United States do not have a definition of "resident", other than for tax purposes. US States do have their own, which is not necessarily the same from State to State.
Other foreign authorities have their own definitions and requirements and each one of them is sovereign in their own domain.
That means one can be legally (according to French laws) be a resident in France and simultaneously be a resident of Oregon (according to Oregonian laws). It does not matter where one sojourns habitually, unless it matters for one of those two laws.

As Delta is concerned, any documentation issued by a foreign state that certifies one to be a resident of that nation will do.
As a side note, authorities will issue documentation that one is a resident, but afaik they won't certify that one is not.

Delta will ask you to provide certification issued by that country stating that you are a resident of that country. If you are able to provide such certification you are not "gaming" the system to any extent.

TheMadBrewer

I not upset about anybody doing anything -- just my 2 cents worth that I don't think it is worth the risk. I have a German bank account and a good friend who takes in the odd piece mail for me. I probably could "manufacture" something. But as a wise woman once said “I will diminish, and go into the West and remain a SkyMiles Member.”

xliioper

They actually define the term "Residency". They never define "primary residence" anywhere. The term "primary residence" only appears in a couple promo pages (without a definition -- which leads one to assume the common legal definition).

"Residency: Country of residence is determined by the primary address in the Member’s SkyMiles "