Can you will miles to family members
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Can you will miles to family members
I read several years ago an article about willing miles to family members. Is this still possible????????? thanks
Last edited by Bonny31; Sep 1, 2017 at 11:26 am
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my understanding is you can transfer them, but you pay a fee.
It is better to just give the account info to whomever you want to have the miles and they can use the miles under the original account holder.
this is what happened to co-worker of mine. She tried to get her husbands miles transferred but was going to lose a LOT of miles for the fee. The rep told her to just log into his account and use them as she wished.
It is better to just give the account info to whomever you want to have the miles and they can use the miles under the original account holder.
this is what happened to co-worker of mine. She tried to get her husbands miles transferred but was going to lose a LOT of miles for the fee. The rep told her to just log into his account and use them as she wished.
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Just one of numerous existing threads that answer your question:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...am-update.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...am-update.html
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Their assertion: even though you earned the miles, they claim the airline still owns the miles. Hence, you cannot will them to anyone since they are not your property.
"Miles are not the property of any member. Except as specifically authorized in the Membership Guide and Program Rules or otherwise in writing by an officer of Delta, miles may not be sold, attached, seized, levied upon, pledged, or transferred under any circumstances, including, without limitation, by operation of law, upon death, or in connection with any domestic relations dispute and/or legal proceeding."
Even if you buy miles:
https://www.delta.com/buygftxfer/displayBuyMiles.action
... the miles you purchased are still not your property.
It's very convenient for the airline when it can write all the rules in its favor.
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You could at one time, but DL management have done away with this option.
Their assertion: even though you earned the miles, they claim the airline still owns the miles. Hence, you cannot will them to anyone since they are not your property.
Even if you buy miles:
https://www.delta.com/buygftxfer/displayBuyMiles.action
... the miles you purchased are still not your property.
It's very convenient for the airline when it can write all the rules in its favor.
Their assertion: even though you earned the miles, they claim the airline still owns the miles. Hence, you cannot will them to anyone since they are not your property.
"Miles are not the property of any member. Except as specifically authorized in the Membership Guide and Program Rules or otherwise in writing by an officer of Delta, miles may not be sold, attached, seized, levied upon, pledged, or transferred under any circumstances, including, without limitation, by operation of law, upon death, or in connection with any domestic relations dispute and/or legal proceeding."
Even if you buy miles:
https://www.delta.com/buygftxfer/displayBuyMiles.action
... the miles you purchased are still not your property.
It's very convenient for the airline when it can write all the rules in its favor.
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Somehow, I have a hard time believing that DL management's reversal of what had been a compassionate policy was based upon an altruistic desire to protect me or my heirs from the IRS.
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You still can. I know at least two people that mitigated their other losses by offering their ex spouse SkyMiles.
NOW, back to the bigger point, THE DELTA SKYMILES DEATH PENALTY is among the WORST of the policies that they have. They should be ashamed and change this policy immediately.
NOW, back to the bigger point, THE DELTA SKYMILES DEATH PENALTY is among the WORST of the policies that they have. They should be ashamed and change this policy immediately.
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You still can. I know at least two people that mitigated their other losses by offering their ex spouse SkyMiles.
NOW, back to the bigger point, THE DELTA SKYMILES DEATH PENALTY is among the WORST of the policies that they have. They should be ashamed and change this policy immediately.
NOW, back to the bigger point, THE DELTA SKYMILES DEATH PENALTY is among the WORST of the policies that they have. They should be ashamed and change this policy immediately.
As my program affiliation attests: Formaldehyde Medallion DL DieMiles
However, shame is not an emotion that Va Ave appears to be capable of.
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Please point me to any indication that the IRS ever did, or expressed an intent, to tax FF miles.
Somehow, I have a hard time believing that DL management's reversal of what had been a compassionate policy was based upon an altruistic desire to protect me or my heirs from the IRS.
Somehow, I have a hard time believing that DL management's reversal of what had been a compassionate policy was based upon an altruistic desire to protect me or my heirs from the IRS.
Think of it like if you got Bitcoin instead of miles. (Assumimg in this case you owned the miles, like you would the Bitcoin) You'd be expected to pay taxes on the income. $5 in value here or there they really could careless about. But we're talking hundreds/thousands of dollars in value for those earning lots of miles a year. Also easy to track who has earned what. Basically if we owned the miles, it would be a bank account, but in miles instead of dollars.
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Never said that was the sole reason. However it is a reason. This gets argued periodically, but generally each time an accountant or lawyer weighs in, the view is that it would be treated as income. Income that would be easy to track and wouldn't be so small as to be written off as insignificant. Miles are basically a currency.
Think of it like if you got Bitcoin instead of miles. (Assumimg in this case you owned the miles, like you would the Bitcoin) You'd be expected to pay taxes on the income. $5 in value here or there they really could careless about. But we're talking hundreds/thousands of dollars in value for those earning lots of miles a year. Also easy to track who has earned what. Basically if we owned the miles, it would be a bank account, but in miles instead of dollars.
Think of it like if you got Bitcoin instead of miles. (Assumimg in this case you owned the miles, like you would the Bitcoin) You'd be expected to pay taxes on the income. $5 in value here or there they really could careless about. But we're talking hundreds/thousands of dollars in value for those earning lots of miles a year. Also easy to track who has earned what. Basically if we owned the miles, it would be a bank account, but in miles instead of dollars.
Or, for that matter, allowed a charitable deduction for the cash equivalent of a FF mileage donation to a charity?
Last edited by StayingHomeIsBetter; Sep 2, 2017 at 8:27 pm