Fares not published online
Aug 29, 2017, 9:48 am
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Delta does not publish a JAX-TPA fare.
Aug 29, 2017, 12:47 pm
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That's not a problem of Delta failing to serve a viable market. That's a problem of failing to understand U.S. geography at a level taught to sixth-graders.
https://books.google.com/books?id=g6...20maps&f=false
Enjoy a Silver Airways Saab 340 non-stop scheduled at 67 minutes.
https://books.google.com/books?id=g6...20maps&f=false
Enjoy a Silver Airways Saab 340 non-stop scheduled at 67 minutes.
Contrary to the agent's assertion, this trip can be found and booked as a single ticket on the website simply by using multi-city search. There is no DL published fare for this route, so the ticket consists of two separate one-way fares combined on a single ticket. The delta.com one-way search will sometimes price out broken fare options, but not always (and it may not always be the cheapest). Other websites are more capable of piecing together broken fare options which is why you were able to find it on them. Your cheapest option is two X fares (fare code XAVNL0MB) for $220 total. Even though they share the same fare code these are actually two different fare filings with separate pricings (one for JAX-ATL and one for ATL-TPA). There are some slightly cheaper one-way E, V, X fares available, but they cannot be combined on a single ticket because of the following fare rule in the combinability section --
"IF THE FARE IS USED END- ON-END MUST BE AN A-B-A COMBINATION."
So you could potentially save a few bucks by buying the flights as two separate tickets ($196 total for two V fares, or $166 for two E fares). Fare rules can be found at the "Fare Rules" link on delta.com when you price out an itin.
"IF THE FARE IS USED END- ON-END MUST BE AN A-B-A COMBINATION."
So you could potentially save a few bucks by buying the flights as two separate tickets ($196 total for two V fares, or $166 for two E fares). Fare rules can be found at the "Fare Rules" link on delta.com when you price out an itin.
I am not desperate to fly with DL to jump through all the hoops they have created. If they do not want to account for all the permutations going through their global hub, I'll take my business elsewhere.
Aug 29, 2017, 1:06 pm
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AA does the same on many routings where DL does publish a fare. Same with UA.
The key is to price it out and purchase the better deal. In your case, almost certainly cheaper on AA.
But, the notion that you have discovered some deep dark secret and that it applies to DL only is simply incorrect.
The key is to price it out and purchase the better deal. In your case, almost certainly cheaper on AA.
But, the notion that you have discovered some deep dark secret and that it applies to DL only is simply incorrect.
Aug 29, 2017, 1:06 pm
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That's exactly what Delta wants you to do. They can't/don't want to compete in this market.
Aug 29, 2017, 1:38 pm
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The way around this is to find your fare/routing on ITA Matrix - - where you can choose the multi-destination option, and then very narrowly specify the timeframe for the flights you want to see (e.g., 2pm-5pm only; after 9pm only). ITA Matrix will then only show you flights for the times you specify, and price them out lowest first. For instance, for Chicago-Budapest, the DL website might not even show you any MSP connections - - but you can select ORD-MSP//MSP-AMS//AMS-BUD on ITA Matrix, and choose the times you want to fly between each, and price it out. You can then call Delta and specify each flight you want them to get for you, and have them price it out. It should match what you find on ITA Matrix (has worked for me).
Aug 29, 2017, 1:45 pm
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In this case, it would appear that driving your own car (if its a viable option for you) is cheaper and takes about the same time once you factor in the time needed to complete the formalities that take time in addition to flying (checkin / TSA / baggage / ride to & from airport to destination & origin).
Aug 29, 2017, 2:24 pm
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Actually, I will "enjoy" AA's CRJ/Airbus/Embraer via either CLT or MIA.
Too much hassle. AA let me book it as a simple round trip. Delta's loss.
I am not desperate to fly with DL to jump through all the hoops they have created. If they do not want to account for all the permutations going through their global hub, I'll take my business elsewhere.
Too much hassle. AA let me book it as a simple round trip. Delta's loss.
I am not desperate to fly with DL to jump through all the hoops they have created. If they do not want to account for all the permutations going through their global hub, I'll take my business elsewhere.
That being said, the fastest flight I was able to find via AA was 3:05 connecting through MIA. DL was similar, at 3:09 through ATL. A direct flight on Silver Airways is only 1:07 and costs over 30% less than the cheapest connecting flight on a legacy. It makes sense to me why DL didn't go to the trouble to price this city pair; frankly, I'm surprised AA did.
Aug 29, 2017, 6:50 pm
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I recently tried to buy JAX-ATL-MIA and was unable unless I wanted to purchase each leg separately.
In this case, it would appear that driving your own car (if its a viable option for you) is cheaper and takes about the same time once you factor in the time needed to complete the formalities that take time in addition to flying (checkin / TSA / baggage / ride to & from airport to destination & origin).
Aug 29, 2017, 7:09 pm
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Like OP's route, you can bring up purchasable broken fare ticket options for this routing by using multi-city search on delta.com. It's not that DL is preventing you from buying them, it's just that one-way and roundtrip searches won't display the broken fare combinations on this route. As with OP's route, you will not be able to combine the cheaper E, V, and certain X fares as they only permit A-B-A routing with end-on-end fare combinations. A single one-way ticket with the cheapest combinable X fares will be $213.80. While you could purchase two separate V fare tickets on this route for $103.20 + $88.20 = $191.40. E fares are $15 cheaper on each segment (saving another $30). These X, V, and E fares have a 3 week advance purchase requirement. Buying closer-in will push you up to higher fare classes that do not have the A-B-A routing requirement and it will be cheaper to buy as a single ticket as you will save the $5.60 additional in TSA taxes on the second ticket.
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Aug 29, 2017, 8:24 pm
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AA does the same on many routings where DL does publish a fare. Same with UA.
The key is to price it out and purchase the better deal. In your case, almost certainly cheaper on AA.
But, the notion that you have discovered some deep dark secret and that it applies to DL only is simply incorrect.
The key is to price it out and purchase the better deal. In your case, almost certainly cheaper on AA.
But, the notion that you have discovered some deep dark secret and that it applies to DL only is simply incorrect.
In this case, it would appear that driving your own car (if its a viable option for you) is cheaper and takes about the same time once you factor in the time needed to complete the formalities that take time in addition to flying (checkin / TSA / baggage / ride to & from airport to destination & origin).
Considering your profile shows you as a BA elite, I'd expect that AA is more lucrative for you from an earnings perspective anyway.
That being said, the fastest flight I was able to find via AA was 3:05 connecting through MIA. DL was similar, at 3:09 through ATL. A direct flight on Silver Airways is only 1:07 and costs over 30% less than the cheapest connecting flight on a legacy. It makes sense to me why DL didn't go to the trouble to price this city pair; frankly, I'm surprised AA did.
That being said, the fastest flight I was able to find via AA was 3:05 connecting through MIA. DL was similar, at 3:09 through ATL. A direct flight on Silver Airways is only 1:07 and costs over 30% less than the cheapest connecting flight on a legacy. It makes sense to me why DL didn't go to the trouble to price this city pair; frankly, I'm surprised AA did.
Aug 29, 2017, 8:50 pm
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Aug 29, 2017, 8:55 pm
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When you discover something for the first time having never come across it through lots of past travel, you inherently think there is something shady.
Given that Silver and AA are happy to compete, it seems strange why Delta feel they are too good for it.
Aw hell no. I ain't driving for hours on i-95 and i-4 in traffic and through Orlando to work for several hours and then drive back. Flying is a lot more comfortable and I don't have baggage and have PreCheck for expedited security.
I forgot to update it that I am also a Delta Gold and costs are secondary to scheduling. I don't mind kicking back some cash AA's way from time to time, especially if Delta "encourage" me to do so.
Given that Silver and AA are happy to compete, it seems strange why Delta feel they are too good for it.
Aw hell no. I ain't driving for hours on i-95 and i-4 in traffic and through Orlando to work for several hours and then drive back. Flying is a lot more comfortable and I don't have baggage and have PreCheck for expedited security.
I forgot to update it that I am also a Delta Gold and costs are secondary to scheduling. I don't mind kicking back some cash AA's way from time to time, especially if Delta "encourage" me to do so.
Aug 30, 2017, 7:17 am
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While you might want to fly this route and cost is 2ndry for you, for most this isnt the case. Its not a route that DL passengers are asking for, nor one that they can make high yields on. AA at least makes some sense as MIA is an AA hub. Unlike ATL it's not "going the wrong direction."