Please help me choose: ATL-XXX-ZRH
 

1. ATL - JFK (2hr 24min) - ZRH

2. ATL - CDG (1hr 35min) - ZRH

3. ATL - AMS (1hr 15min) - ZRH

4. ATL - JFK (45 min :eek: ) - ZRH

(Have to arrive ZRH before 9:00a.m. the next day to meet up with group.)

Which would you choose?

AMS is the easiest transit IMO

JFK and CDG are about the same, but JFK is more delay prone, you will certainly want to go with option 1 if you choose to connect in JFK

CDG arriving immigration can be bad depending on the time of day, so ideally 2 hours would be better there, 1:35 is doable but may be uncomfortable if the immigration lines are their normal disaster (I am assuming you don't have an EU passport, if you do, then CDG is not as bad).

I agree AMS is the best, but for anything international I really hesitate with a <2 hr connection. I'd probably go with option 1. At the least, you can hang out in the nice sky club at JFK and sit on the deck/plane spot (or go to Shake Shack). At the worst there's a time buffer.

AMS would be okay, but that connection time looks a little tight... However, both European connection options avoid domestic US delays, and there are pretty frequent flights from AMS/CDG to ZRH.

Option 1 includes a good buffer time that you could kill if you wanted to, and you arrive straight into ZRH, which I'd consider a plus. (I'd choose this one)

I would never attempt a 45 min connection in JFK.

Y or J? Mix of planes here so depending on COS that could be a factor

Honestly, I don't like any of them.

JFK 2:24 is the best for the connection

In general I would always favor the direct flight from the US rather than connecting in Europe. The problem is that in this case it is JFK

JFK could be fine one day and a nightmare the next

Faced with 4 bad choices, I would choose the first one

Thanks, PV_Premier, dmarge18, FlyerWx, Duke787, dilbertdaddy for the prompt and helpful responses.

Looks like ATL-JFK-ZRH wins ^

Is 2 hr 24 min layover safe? There is 4 hr available. Should I?

(Duke787 it is Y but I plan to use a GUC.)

dilbertsdaddy I prefer non-stop ATL-ZRH too. However, DeltaOne is full on my date of travel, hence chance of using GUC for upgrade is most likely zero.

2:24 should be plenty. Obviously there's no such thing as a 100% safe connection, so I guess it depends on how crucial it is for you to make this flight and what else you might do with two extra hours before your flight.

Agree, it should be enough. There are always very unforeseen circumstances, but over 2 I'd be comfortable. Always just depends on your comfort/risk level.

Option 1 it is!

Thank you all for helping ^

Looking at departure times, I would take the 45 minute connection. If your outbound is delayed and it's getting tight, ask them to put you on the non-stop.

Coach or D1? Passport? What are the aircraft types for the first three itineraries?

I agree with others that number four must be eliminated from consideration as it violates minimum sensible connecting time by a lot.

As have been stated before, the D1 on the non-stop ATL-ZRH is full, hence using GUC for upgrade is slim to none. So non-stop is not an option.

I always pick AMS. Easy airport to navigate, people speak English. Plus, if you are stuck, no better place than Amsterdam.

I would generally choose the longest overwater flight, but there are always other considerations, many discussed.
What I don't think was discussed was the time of year. Summer is risky because of afternoon T-storms. Winter is risky because of potential for snowstorms, but less frequent than summer T-storms. Spring and fall generally okay, except for early fall hurricanes. :eek:

If this is a summer flight, the T-storm issue pushes option #1 further down the list, to the point where I think I'd rather take the 1h35m connection in CDG, especially since there is probably a backup CDG-ZRH an hour or two later, at least on weekdays (IIRC their ZRH schedule on Saturday is pretty weak). And if you're on time, there is probably even time for a shower in the lounge.

If you do misconnect in JFK, I'm sure there are plenty of other routings to get you to ZRH, especially since JFK-ZRH is relatively early, but you would certainly risk losing the upgrade.

I second this post!! I generally try to choose the longest over-water flight in D1 to maximize sleep. Furthermore, there are several flights a day from AMS/CDG to ZRH. If it were me, I'd choose the ATL-AMS TATL flight.

For those who would choose ATL-AMS-ZRH, the connection time is only 1hr 15min. How risky is that? (I wouldn't connect via CDG for less than 2hr.)

The advantage of connecting in AMS (or CDG) is that if there is a misconnect, there probably will be another flight in a couple of hours. If you misconnect at JFK then it is the either the next day or another connection at CDG/AMS.

If it is "meet up with a group" as in a group tour where you are canceled if a no show, then I would go the day before. If the group is a bunch of friends headed off somewhere that you could meet up with later in the day, that is another thing...

MCT is 50 minutes, I believe--so it is certainly doable if everything is on time. Also I believe they have a fast track for tight connections.

I have booked my mother with a 55 minute connection there in a couple weeks. If she can do it, that will be a sign that anyone can indeed do it. (Sure glad she doesn't know what FT is to see this!:D)

I've done a 60 minute connection at AMS -- the inbound flights from the US are often early (though you can't count on this) and they do have a separate passport lane for short connections. But I did this knowing if I missed it there was another flight in a couple of hours -- I had no deadlines at my destination.

I never would have done a connection that short back when you had to clear security when coming from the US.

I have done the JFK-ZRH several times and have been delayed 2-3 hours. But as I was heading to Zurich it did not matter. The fact that you are meeting a group might influence my choice. How much does it matter if you are late? If it really matters - fly a day early and enjoy Zurich for a day.

Otherwise my typical preference is to do my transfers in the states when possible.

with a non EU passport wait time in AMS is easily an hour. Much worse than CDG! With European passports provided the automated gates are working, AMS is ok. However, personally I prefer CDG over AMS.

I don't fly TATL a ton, but I've connected in both and I'm pretty sure my shortest transit at CDG (coming from the US into schengen) was longer than my longest such transit at AMS.

We all have our preferences and weight different things so I am not disrespecting your preference, but...

I've never had to wait an hour for passport check in AMS in 20+ years of connecting there (4-6 times a year on avg)

In the bad old days before the new configuration, when coming from the US, after the passport check you had a TSA type security and sometimes that would back up so much they would stop checking passports (like the time where you had to remove all power cords and cables from your carry on). But even then I would be surprised if it was much over a 30 min line.

I've only connected at CDG maybe 6-8 times (most recently in May) and there hasn't been a time where there hasn't been a non trivial wait, whether for a bus between terminals or for a standing around until the passport station got around to opening. I still shudder at the time our 777 parked at a remote gate and we all walked down the airstairs to a waiting bus, which took 30+ minutes to get to the terminal as it had to wait for crossing planes every few minutes. That was the time you could use SWU to upgrade from PE to J and I was so thankful I was able to upgrade. I'm sure it was near an hour before the people at the back got to the terminal.

Yes CDG is much better than it was in the dark days but has a long way to go until its stress levels approach AMS.

just transferred this morning Schengen to Non-Schengen at CDG: zero wait time in both directions. Of course I know it's not always like this ...

Agreed. Never had more then a few minutes wait at AMS. CDG regularly more than 30 minutes IME.

Also no need to reclear security at AMS on flights from US.

I avoid JFK like the plague.