D1 Suites Surcharge
Aug 15, 2017, 7:17 am
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Unless maybe they had a surge charge for 747 in general,
But I do wonder if they think the 350 can command the premium, If I'm connecting cant I just avoid DTW? Then the 350 becomes a non-rev party LOL
Aug 15, 2017, 8:00 am
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Yeah, they can count me in the thanks but no thanks camp.
If DL's J fares and product already beat their competitors they could be on to something, but neither of those are the case.
If DL's J fares and product already beat their competitors they could be on to something, but neither of those are the case.
Aug 15, 2017, 8:01 am
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You know I never noticed that about the suite... great point on the arm restriction. Looks like you'll have to be leaning away from the wall if you want to be able to move your arm or not have it wedged up against it.
The existing D1 seats, from 747/330/767 all have some armrest space before getting to the seat frame. Looks like the only D1 suites that have more arm/shoulder space are the ones with the seat closest to the window.
The existing D1 seats, from 747/330/767 all have some armrest space before getting to the seat frame. Looks like the only D1 suites that have more arm/shoulder space are the ones with the seat closest to the window.
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Aug 15, 2017, 8:10 am
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This reminds me of the SQ suites being a class above FC. Does DL think that the suites on the A350 are a class above D1? I'm almost surprised they're not using different fare codes, like DL does not for C+ and (coming soon) premium economy.
The surcharge will cause many people to pick routings that don't use the A350.
When it's a separate item on the receipt, I wonder how willing employers will be to pay the fee for business travel that allows business class.
The surcharge will cause many people to pick routings that don't use the A350.
When it's a separate item on the receipt, I wonder how willing employers will be to pay the fee for business travel that allows business class.
Aug 15, 2017, 8:31 am
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I just looked up some D1 fares, and the surcharge is built into the fare rules/basis.
For example, here is a Z basis:
MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 500.00
WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER
ADULT,ALLOWING CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS FOR
TRAVEL IN AIRBUS A359 AIRCRAFT
So it'll cost you a lot more to fly in D1 on the 350 vs a 330. Guess they want to pay off those seats quick...
For example, here is a Z basis:
MISCELLANEOUS/OTHER SURCHARGE OF USD 500.00
WILL BE ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE PER
ADULT,ALLOWING CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS FOR
TRAVEL IN AIRBUS A359 AIRCRAFT
So it'll cost you a lot more to fly in D1 on the 350 vs a 330. Guess they want to pay off those seats quick...
Aug 15, 2017, 8:37 am
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Five hundred dollars to rent a low door for twelve hours? The A350 seats look closer to the 767 D1 seats than the 747/A330 or 777 ones that people here seem to prefer.
Aug 15, 2017, 8:40 am
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I don't think AA even did this for the F cabin on their new 777-300.
Aug 15, 2017, 8:44 am
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Aug 15, 2017, 8:47 am
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Frankly, this seems to be in line with DL's delusional thinking that their product is superior to everyone else's and that passengers are willing to pay for it. (Like all the C+ nonsense of the past year where DL really seems to believe it is a significant upgrade over regular coach.)
Is the D1 soft product better than AA? Undoubtedly yes. Is the D1 Suite hard product better than UA? Probably yes, even compared to the new Polaris seat. Non-stop vs connecting fare premiums aside, Is it worth a $1000 rt premium over AA and UA? Doubtful. (And perhaps a more important question is, is it worth a premium over Asian carriers?)
Is the D1 soft product better than AA? Undoubtedly yes. Is the D1 Suite hard product better than UA? Probably yes, even compared to the new Polaris seat. Non-stop vs connecting fare premiums aside, Is it worth a $1000 rt premium over AA and UA? Doubtful. (And perhaps a more important question is, is it worth a premium over Asian carriers?)
Aug 15, 2017, 8:50 am
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We will see once start getting reports from the a/c, but it seems with both PE and D1 they have installed products that are not at all competitive with their peers, and seem to be counting on customers to just accept it--and even pay more for it.
This smells like United and American, not DL. They've become arrogant.
This smells like United and American, not DL. They've become arrogant.
Aug 15, 2017, 8:51 am
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Aug 15, 2017, 8:51 am
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Frankly, this seems to be in line with DL's delusional thinking that their product is superior to everyone else's and that passengers are willing to pay for it. (Like all the C+ nonsense of the past year where DL really seems to believe it is a significant upgrade over regular coach.)
Is the D1 soft product better than AA? Undoubtedly yes. Is the D1 Suite hard product better than UA? Probably yes, even compared to the new Polaris seat. Non-stop vs connecting fare premiums aside, Is it worth a $1000 rt premium over AA and UA? Doubtful. (And perhaps a more important question is, is it worth a premium over Asian carriers?)
Is the D1 soft product better than AA? Undoubtedly yes. Is the D1 Suite hard product better than UA? Probably yes, even compared to the new Polaris seat. Non-stop vs connecting fare premiums aside, Is it worth a $1000 rt premium over AA and UA? Doubtful. (And perhaps a more important question is, is it worth a premium over Asian carriers?)
Aug 15, 2017, 9:29 am
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I think the point is the seats offset towards the window probably don't have the same arm space issue. They don't put a door over the window right? But I agree, it appears to be very poor ergonomics for at least half the seats, and possible my (not sure how the middle seats are packaged).
Aug 15, 2017, 9:37 am
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You'll enjoy a few of Lucky's comments here....and his line about fare buckets.
One of my favourites was the line below the Delta 1 fares shown.
Greedy: Delta To Add A Surcharge For Their New A350 Business Class
AUGUST 15, 2017 BY LUCKY
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ite-surcharge/
One of my favourites was the line below the Delta 1 fares shown.
Greedy: Delta To Add A Surcharge For Their New A350 Business Class
AUGUST 15, 2017 BY LUCKY
http://onemileatatime.boardingarea.c...ite-surcharge/
Aug 15, 2017, 9:44 am
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I agree with others this seems like an arrogant move from DL. That being said I trust the market to bring these prices back down or else DL will be ceding traffic on some of these routes to competitors that have bigger J cabins they need to fill.
Remember these A350s also have fewer J seats vs. the planes that used to fly these routes so perhaps they think they can get away with sticking this surcharge in while relying primarily on those traveling on OPM to fill the cabin (who therefore could care less about the extra charge).
Remember these A350s also have fewer J seats vs. the planes that used to fly these routes so perhaps they think they can get away with sticking this surcharge in while relying primarily on those traveling on OPM to fill the cabin (who therefore could care less about the extra charge).