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Old Aug 15, 2017, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by WWads
I've long suspected that there's collusion between DL and WN at ATL. The buyout of FL and subsequent destruction of their ATL hub, the sweet 717 lease deal that WN gave DL, the dropping of what should be good routes like EYW. It smells.

We used to do that with DAY or SDF when CVG was a large hub. So obnoxious.
If there was collusion for WN to leave ATL, then DL would have surely had to give up the DAL gates. And there is zero way that 5 daily DAL RT's means more to DL then getting a competitor out of the market place at ATL.
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Old Aug 15, 2017, 12:23 pm
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Originally Posted by kop84
Isn't the 717 just and MD88/90 after Boeing bough MD? But they were being phased out quickly by everyone but DL and HA by the time that WN needed to dump a lot of airplanes.
It isn't the same plane, but it is in the same family. It was the MD-95, IIRC, and it sold as poorly under the MD nameplate as it did as the 717.
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Old Aug 15, 2017, 12:40 pm
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Originally Posted by LBJ
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$322 fare is still there, it just has a 30 day advance purchase.requirement and his travel is too close to meet that. The next fare available for midweek travel without a Saturday night stay is $700. RM is not playing around with inventory, it's just basic fare rules/restrictions that is catching OP. Booking further out or including a Saturday night stay is the only way around them.
Ah yes, but the angry mob doesn't appreciate facts and reason.
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Old Aug 15, 2017, 3:24 pm
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Originally Posted by LBJ
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$322 fare is still there, it just has a 30 day advance purchase.requirement and his travel is too close to meet that. The next fare available for midweek travel without a Saturday night stay is $700. RM is not playing around with inventory, it's just basic fare rules/restrictions that is catching OP. Booking further out or including a Saturday night stay is the only way around them.
The 6th-8th = $702
The next week 13th-15th = $543
and the next week 20th-22nd = $328
All...just a matter of timing.
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Old Aug 15, 2017, 7:53 pm
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Well, if you really want to express your opinion, book with AA with a very quick layover at DCA for $330-$350.
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Old Aug 16, 2017, 12:06 am
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Originally Posted by pbarnette
Why would airlines need to collude in a market that basically has perfect information about competitor pricing and capacity? The only way to stop "collusion" would be to make fares and schedules secret.
You don't get the point of collusion. It is not how much you know about your competition. It is all about how you work with your competitors to maximize (screw) customer's $$$$$$.

The only way to stop collusion is quite the opposite of keeping secrets. It is to be transparent and have a standard price set by the government just like the pre-deregulation days.
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Old Aug 16, 2017, 12:25 am
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If you have evidence of collusion hand it to the authorities. Its illegal.

Similar/same fares etc are NOT evidence of collusion.
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Old Aug 16, 2017, 3:26 am
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Originally Posted by WWads
I've long suspected that there's collusion between DL and WN at ATL. The buyout of FL and subsequent destruction of their ATL hub, the sweet 717 lease deal that WN gave DL, the dropping of what should be good routes like EYW. It smells.

We used to do that with DAY or SDF when CVG was a large hub. So obnoxious.
Just remember Clark Howard and the Cox Media group kept running stories and telling us how great WN buying out FL was going to be for ATL......
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Old Aug 16, 2017, 7:05 am
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Originally Posted by JohnnyRockets
You don't get the point of collusion. It is not how much you know about your competition. It is all about how you work with your competitors to maximize (screw) customer's $$$$$$.

The only way to stop collusion is quite the opposite of keeping secrets. It is to be transparent and have a standard price set by the government just like the pre-deregulation days.
What are you even talking about? You literally have no proof, even circumstantial evidence, of anything.

How do you feel airlines are colluding? What specifically do you find as so egregious that could only have been the result of airlines conspiring together?
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