Delta pricing to ORF outrageous!
Aug 15, 2017, 6:44 am
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I've done Norfolk quite a bit, especially in the winter when weather has closed or significantly delayed all of the Washington-area airports. It's actually a super-easy airport.
Thankfully, I've never been on a CRJ-200 flight in and out of there. I couldn't imagine flying to/from Minneapolis, which has to be long enough per Delta for a meal service in first-class. I know you get a meal for BWI-MSP.
Have you tried nearby airports like PHF?
Thankfully, I've never been on a CRJ-200 flight in and out of there. I couldn't imagine flying to/from Minneapolis, which has to be long enough per Delta for a meal service in first-class. I know you get a meal for BWI-MSP.
Have you tried nearby airports like PHF?
Aug 15, 2017, 6:45 am
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Well, as soon as PHF gets direct service to somewhere other than CLT, PHL, and ATL (or if they finally build another tunnel/teleporter) I imagine you may still have the good luck of paying a premium at ORF.
The beauty of these two co-terminals is that you have some good flexibility in pricing discrepancies, additional seats, and PHF is just a joy to fly out of... the problem with these two co-terminals is that the 25 miles that separates them can quickly become a two hour trip on a bad day and PHF only has three flights to Atlanta a day and two airlines.
The beauty of these two co-terminals is that you have some good flexibility in pricing discrepancies, additional seats, and PHF is just a joy to fly out of... the problem with these two co-terminals is that the 25 miles that separates them can quickly become a two hour trip on a bad day and PHF only has three flights to Atlanta a day and two airlines.
It's sad because a large part of the Hampton Roads peninsula area would probably much rather fly out of PHF than either ORF or RIC. But oh well.
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Aug 15, 2017, 6:50 am
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That $332 fare may still exist, but RM probably sees demand in such that they believe they can sell the higher fare. Airlines match fares and offer fare sales...heck they can file $1 fares but the key difference here is filing fares and opening inventory for sale. So you may see WN file a $200 fare and wonder why DL doesn't have the same fare on the same route and think DL isn't competitive. DL may have the exact same fare filed, even lower fares, but its up to RM to open the actual inventory assigned to that fare. Pricing and revenue management don't always work hand in hand.
Aug 15, 2017, 7:16 am
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I find it amusing how flippantly people throw around felony accusations with zero proof, and what hardly amounts to circumstantial evidence.
WN dropped a route, well that hardly ever happens
WN had a plane type they don't use - hard to get a good price when everyone knows you are desperate to get rid of them
Airlines sometimes match prices that are visible to everyone
Not every single route has two airlines running it! - as though DL sees a ton of opportunity flying LAS/RNO and WN sees similar opportunity between MSP and FAR.
Definite collusion
WN dropped a route, well that hardly ever happens
WN had a plane type they don't use - hard to get a good price when everyone knows you are desperate to get rid of them
Airlines sometimes match prices that are visible to everyone
Not every single route has two airlines running it! - as though DL sees a ton of opportunity flying LAS/RNO and WN sees similar opportunity between MSP and FAR.
Definite collusion
Aug 15, 2017, 7:18 am
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Have you checked fares on competing airlines for your planned travel dates?
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Aug 15, 2017, 7:38 am
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For the difference in the fares, the original poster could easily fly into a nearby airport or even fly into Washington and take a train or drive down.
Aug 15, 2017, 7:42 am
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$322 fare is still there, it just has a 30 day advance purchase.requirement and his travel is too close to meet that. The next fare available for midweek travel without a Saturday night stay is $700. RM is not playing around with inventory, it's just basic fare rules/restrictions that is catching OP. Booking further out or including a Saturday night stay is the only way around them.
Aug 15, 2017, 8:29 am
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I was making more of a generalization though that people tend to complain about an airline suddenly making fares ridiculously high on a route not understanding that there is more to it.
Aug 15, 2017, 10:06 am
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Aug 15, 2017, 11:31 am
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Aug 15, 2017, 11:56 am
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That 717 lease deal really is amazing for DL. Other than that, we don't have direct evidence, since it's difficult to see a lack of expansion/market presence vs drawdown in an established market. There may very well be a few markets where DL has paid WN back by not pushing for a larger market share.
The airlines are all about stable, predictable income these days. Collusion would help to ensure that, vs intense competition.
The airlines are all about stable, predictable income these days. Collusion would help to ensure that, vs intense competition.
Aug 15, 2017, 12:01 pm
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It is even harder when you are looking to get rid of more than half of the type ever built. There was pretty much zero market for the plane new, so it is hardly surprising there was pretty much zero market for them once used.
Aug 15, 2017, 12:16 pm
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Welcome to FT! There must be something wrong with the post counter, though, because it says you have over 2k posts, when that clearly isn't the case.
I'm used to seeing accusations of lying, and how DL personally went out of their way to make someone's day miserable. But out and out collusion I don't see all that often.
It is even harder when you are looking to get rid of more than half of the type ever built. There was pretty much zero market for the plane new, so it is hardly surprising there was pretty much zero market for them once used.
I'm used to seeing accusations of lying, and how DL personally went out of their way to make someone's day miserable. But out and out collusion I don't see all that often.
It is even harder when you are looking to get rid of more than half of the type ever built. There was pretty much zero market for the plane new, so it is hardly surprising there was pretty much zero market for them once used.