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Old May 27, 2018, 12:36 pm
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DRAFT WIKI: I've started this on May 27, 2018 as a first pass, but need to pull more info from the rest of the thread. Feel free to add!

What flights are eligible to be upgraded?
As relevant to this thread, original booking must be:
- DL ticketed (006 stock)
- DL marketed (DL flight #)
- VS operated

NOTE ON MIXED CABIN BOOKINGS: If you are booked in coach for a domestic portion on Delta and then connecting to a VS Premium Economy segment, and trying to upgrade only the VS PE segment with DL miles, the upgrade request may be rejected by Virgin when the DL agent attempt to process it. Ask to be transferred to the international reissue desk. Explain that they will need to remove the domestic coach portion of your flight, then process the upgrade, and then reattach the domestic Y portion. VS will accept the upgrade only when the coach segment has been removed, and this all needs to be done manually by Delta.

How do I know mileage upgrade space is available?
You can either call Delta and ask the agent to check or check online. If you are going to call, see note below about how to explain this to the phone agent. Or, follow instructions in the next section to check inventory online.

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Checking online In advance:
- Upgrades on VS pull from the same inventory as award bookings. Upgrading to Upper Class requires G class inventory, upgrading to Premium Economy requires P class inventory. Note these are Virgin fare classes that will not display on delta.com. Delta's G and P fare classes are different and should not be considered for this purpose. Only a subset of G class inventory (and presumably also of P class inventory) is available for upgrades, so merely finding G availability via the Delta or Virgin websites, or via ExpertFlyer or other sources, does not necessarily mean an upgrade will be available. Unfortunately there is no public data source that can be used to double-check what Delta agents tell you about availability.
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  • Waitlisting is not available for mileage upgrades on Virgin Atlantic or any other partner flights.
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At the Airport Day of Depature:
  • VS regularly offers DOD upgrades at the airport.
  • Upgrades are available for cash (generally not the best value at ~$800 one way) or VS miles (same # miles as advance upgrades).
  • DOD upgrades using miles can only be done with VS miles, not Delta Sky Miles.
  • VS miles can be transferred from Amex MR. Transfer is usually instantaneous if you have linked your MR/VS accounts in advance, but as always Amex does not guarantee this so there is some risk involved in relying on the transfer while at the airport.

How do I request the upgrade?
  • You'll need to call Delta. Be prepared to spend some time and persistence, and HUCA if necessary. Know that agents are likely to be confused about this, so be patient and call when you have time for them to research this and possibly speak with a supervisor.
    • Consider saying something along these lines to the phone agent to help clue them in that this may be something they need to look up or get help with: "I am calling to upgrade, using Sky Miles, my Virgin Atlantic flight that I booked through Delta. I understand that this is a newer benefit that is now available through the Delta/Virgin Atlantic join-venture. I know from previously calling that this is not something all agents do regularly, so thanks so much for helping me figure this out."
    • Remind the agent to check the VS flight # (not DL #) for upgrade space. Many agents may tell you you are already in a premium cabin if you're booked in VS PE, without realizing that DL's G class is not the same as VS's G class. Some may also insist that it is not possible to upgrade a VS flight with Sky Miles (it was not possible before July 2017). Be polite, but ask for a supervisor.
    • Agents seem to find the correct instructions about all this when they look up the DL/VS joint venture notes in whatever system they use.
  • Waitlisting is not available for mileage upgrades on Virgin Atlantic or any other partner flights.

What should I see if/when my upgrade is correctly processed?
  • Your upgraded flight will now be a VS-marketed flight #.
  • You will be rebooked into the appropriate VS fare class.

Need more information on reticketing, seat selection, etc.

How much do upgrades cost?
Reports of upgrade costs are as follows (current as of May 2018):
- US<>UK, PE>UC = 25k RDM each way
- US<>UK, Y>UC = ???? each way
- US<>UK, Y>PE = ???? each way
When going from Y to PE/UC, you may need to pay the UK luxury tax (in USD or GBP) for flights exiting the UK.
When going from PE to UC, the luxury tax should not apply as it has already been charged on the PE fare.



A note about earning miles
Your upgraded ticket should still earn DL RDMs/MQMs/MQDs based on the originally purchased fare. However, the systems regularly get confused because the rebooked ticket will be identified as VS award inventory, ineligible for mileage earnings.
Keep your original (non-upgraded) receipt and monitor your miles earnings carefully. Calls or written requests via DL.com comments/complaints will result in proper mileage earnings being applied, but you may need to be persistent.
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Old Oct 8, 2020, 3:25 pm
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Originally Posted by crjtraveler
Interested in this as well. Found G availability on DL & VS sites but DL insists they don't see any upgrade availability for my DL marketed & DL Stock PE ticket (A Fare). Anyone successful in this recently? I know travel has been slow so probably fewer data points.
Just to wrap up my experience. I got the upgrade to clear today and it cleared into....G (because of course it did). The rep said upgrade availability is not shown externally (but they also insisted it never was). They also said that there were only two upgrade seats available while DL.com showed Gx4 when booking on miles so it may be a subset of G that is available for mileage upgrades but I'm speculating at this point. Either way cleared the PE-UC upgrade at the stated 25K but took a few HUCAs to get it done. Happy result, frustrating process.
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Originally Posted by crjtraveler
Just to wrap up my experience. I got the upgrade to clear today and it cleared into....G (because of course it did). The rep said upgrade availability is not shown externally (but they also insisted it never was). They also said that there were only two upgrade seats available while DL.com showed Gx4 when booking on miles so it may be a subset of G that is available for mileage upgrades but I'm speculating at this point. Either way cleared the PE-UC upgrade at the stated 25K but took a few HUCAs to get it done. Happy result, frustrating process.
Part of issue is VS is the one partner that DL can issue awards for at multiple award levels. Thus your comment about being a sunset is probably correctly.
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Old Feb 2, 2021, 2:48 pm
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Apologies if this is answered in the Wiki or above, but I don't see a concrete answer. Looking to upgrade a DL marketed, VS operated leg from the US to LHR. Do I need to see both award availability on Delta's end and VS's end? Currently I see VS award G space, but not Delta award space. Or is finding VS award G space enough?
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Old Feb 2, 2021, 3:06 pm
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Originally Posted by Youngtraveldude
Apologies if this is answered in the Wiki or above, but I don't see a concrete answer. Looking to upgrade a DL marketed, VS operated leg from the US to LHR. Do I need to see both award availability on Delta's end and VS's end? Currently I see VS award G space, but not Delta award space. Or is finding VS award G space enough?
We don't really know -- it appears there are multiple different versions of G availability on VS depending on the use, so you have to call Delta and ask. Unfortunately there isn't any way to verify whether they're giving you the right answer or not.
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Old Feb 2, 2021, 3:07 pm
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Originally Posted by bgriff
We don't really know -- it appears there are multiple different versions of G availability on VS depending on the use, so you have to call Delta and ask. Unfortunately there isn't any way to verify whether they're giving you the right answer or not.
Ok, understood. Thank you.
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Old Aug 9, 2021, 8:01 pm
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Has anyone had success with this since they jacked up the fares? I see G class is now 170k skymiles each way and premium is 75k. If I book a flight with miles can I call and upgrade for 25k? Or do I need to buy a cash fare in Premium and then pay 25k (or more now?)?
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Has anyone had success with this since they jacked up the fares? I see G class is now 170k skymiles each way and premium is 75k. If I book a flight with miles can I call and upgrade for 25k? Or do I need to buy a cash fare in Premium and then pay 25k (or more now?)?
Upgrade with miles require a cash fare.
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Thanks! Any clue if the rate is still 25k?
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Old Aug 11, 2021, 8:36 am
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It is still 25K from VS PE->UC. Just did 3 of these over the past couple days.

My advice, make sure you can see G availability before you call in. When you do call explain what you want and say that when you did this before the international ticketing desk was able to help. They will then put you on hold for a while and come back with yes/no on the upgrade. If they say you can't upgrade without speaking to the ticketing desk they are likely wrong. I feel like I've got it down to a script now...
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Old Jan 5, 2022, 11:28 am
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Checking about 70 days in the next 6 months, I cannot find a single instance of G availability on VS IAD-LHR using expertflyer (nor with an award search on DL.com, although I didn't check as many dates). I am searching incorrectly? Or is there some block in effect?
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Old Jan 11, 2022, 10:00 pm
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I’m curious about ExpertFlyer as well - G fare class doesn’t show anywhere on the Flight Availability or Award Search functions. That said, the flights I’m looking at (LHR-ATL) do have G space available on both VS and DL sites for award tickets, so I will have to call and see what is available on DL’s end.
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Old Jan 12, 2022, 8:05 am
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Originally Posted by Stubbs4109
I’m curious about ExpertFlyer as well - G fare class doesn’t show anywhere on the Flight Availability or Award Search functions. That said, the flights I’m looking at (LHR-ATL) do have G space available on both VS and DL sites for award tickets, so I will have to call and see what is available on DL’s end.
I see "Upper Class - Award (G)" as the third option in the Award Search functionality when selecting Virgin Atlantic as the airline. Though doing a few searches I don't see much (any) G inventory, not sure if that's what you meant.

I'm not sure if seeing Virgin awards on Delta.com is a reliable indicator of upgrade space any more -- I believe there have been some indications that there can be variable pricing when redeeming SkyMiles on VS so it's not clear if there is a clear single award bucket any more.
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Old Jan 12, 2022, 9:36 pm
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Originally Posted by bgriff
I see "Upper Class - Award (G)" as the third option in the Award Search functionality when selecting Virgin Atlantic as the airline. Though doing a few searches I don't see much (any) G inventory, not sure if that's what you meant.

I'm not sure if seeing Virgin awards on Delta.com is a reliable indicator of upgrade space any more -- I believe there have been some indications that there can be variable pricing when redeeming SkyMiles on VS so it's not clear if there is a clear single award bucket any more.
Yeah, that’s what I meant.

Gotcha, yeah that’s what I’ve gathered from all the info and DPs here. That said, I called this morning and the (very knowledgeable Minneapolis agent) walked me through the availability. She said that they have 2 available for GUCs. So another DP FWIW - DL showed G when booking with miles, as did VS, and I called and the agent confirmed that 2 GUC spaces are available (though I did not ask if it’s more than 2).
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Old Jan 13, 2022, 4:45 am
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Originally Posted by Stubbs4109
Yeah, that’s what I meant.

Gotcha, yeah that’s what I’ve gathered from all the info and DPs here. That said, I called this morning and the (very knowledgeable Minneapolis agent) walked me through the availability. She said that they have 2 available for GUCs. So another DP FWIW - DL showed G when booking with miles, as did VS, and I called and the agent confirmed that 2 GUC spaces are available (though I did not ask if it’s more than 2).
Thanks for the data point. To be clear it sounds like EF was *not* showing G available for that same flight?
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Old Jan 14, 2022, 9:45 am
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Per EF help, they are aware VS inventory is not displaying correctly and they are working to resolve.
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