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Old May 27, 2018, 12:36 pm
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DRAFT WIKI: I've started this on May 27, 2018 as a first pass, but need to pull more info from the rest of the thread. Feel free to add!

What flights are eligible to be upgraded?
As relevant to this thread, original booking must be:
- DL ticketed (006 stock)
- DL marketed (DL flight #)
- VS operated

NOTE ON MIXED CABIN BOOKINGS: If you are booked in coach for a domestic portion on Delta and then connecting to a VS Premium Economy segment, and trying to upgrade only the VS PE segment with DL miles, the upgrade request may be rejected by Virgin when the DL agent attempt to process it. Ask to be transferred to the international reissue desk. Explain that they will need to remove the domestic coach portion of your flight, then process the upgrade, and then reattach the domestic Y portion. VS will accept the upgrade only when the coach segment has been removed, and this all needs to be done manually by Delta.

How do I know mileage upgrade space is available?
You can either call Delta and ask the agent to check or check online. If you are going to call, see note below about how to explain this to the phone agent. Or, follow instructions in the next section to check inventory online.

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Checking online In advance:
- Upgrades on VS pull from the same inventory as award bookings. Upgrading to Upper Class requires G class inventory, upgrading to Premium Economy requires P class inventory. Note these are Virgin fare classes that will not display on delta.com. Delta's G and P fare classes are different and should not be considered for this purpose. Only a subset of G class inventory (and presumably also of P class inventory) is available for upgrades, so merely finding G availability via the Delta or Virgin websites, or via ExpertFlyer or other sources, does not necessarily mean an upgrade will be available. Unfortunately there is no public data source that can be used to double-check what Delta agents tell you about availability.
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  • Waitlisting is not available for mileage upgrades on Virgin Atlantic or any other partner flights.
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At the Airport Day of Depature:
  • VS regularly offers DOD upgrades at the airport.
  • Upgrades are available for cash (generally not the best value at ~$800 one way) or VS miles (same # miles as advance upgrades).
  • DOD upgrades using miles can only be done with VS miles, not Delta Sky Miles.
  • VS miles can be transferred from Amex MR. Transfer is usually instantaneous if you have linked your MR/VS accounts in advance, but as always Amex does not guarantee this so there is some risk involved in relying on the transfer while at the airport.

How do I request the upgrade?
  • You'll need to call Delta. Be prepared to spend some time and persistence, and HUCA if necessary. Know that agents are likely to be confused about this, so be patient and call when you have time for them to research this and possibly speak with a supervisor.
    • Consider saying something along these lines to the phone agent to help clue them in that this may be something they need to look up or get help with: "I am calling to upgrade, using Sky Miles, my Virgin Atlantic flight that I booked through Delta. I understand that this is a newer benefit that is now available through the Delta/Virgin Atlantic join-venture. I know from previously calling that this is not something all agents do regularly, so thanks so much for helping me figure this out."
    • Remind the agent to check the VS flight # (not DL #) for upgrade space. Many agents may tell you you are already in a premium cabin if you're booked in VS PE, without realizing that DL's G class is not the same as VS's G class. Some may also insist that it is not possible to upgrade a VS flight with Sky Miles (it was not possible before July 2017). Be polite, but ask for a supervisor.
    • Agents seem to find the correct instructions about all this when they look up the DL/VS joint venture notes in whatever system they use.
  • Waitlisting is not available for mileage upgrades on Virgin Atlantic or any other partner flights.

What should I see if/when my upgrade is correctly processed?
  • Your upgraded flight will now be a VS-marketed flight #.
  • You will be rebooked into the appropriate VS fare class.

Need more information on reticketing, seat selection, etc.

How much do upgrades cost?
Reports of upgrade costs are as follows (current as of May 2018):
- US<>UK, PE>UC = 25k RDM each way
- US<>UK, Y>UC = ???? each way
- US<>UK, Y>PE = ???? each way
When going from Y to PE/UC, you may need to pay the UK luxury tax (in USD or GBP) for flights exiting the UK.
When going from PE to UC, the luxury tax should not apply as it has already been charged on the PE fare.



A note about earning miles
Your upgraded ticket should still earn DL RDMs/MQMs/MQDs based on the originally purchased fare. However, the systems regularly get confused because the rebooked ticket will be identified as VS award inventory, ineligible for mileage earnings.
Keep your original (non-upgraded) receipt and monitor your miles earnings carefully. Calls or written requests via DL.com comments/complaints will result in proper mileage earnings being applied, but you may need to be persistent.
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Old Jan 17, 2019, 5:46 pm
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Originally Posted by audidudi
All VS flights from the US to the UK are DL-coded!
Not if booked trough VS, which is what I thought your question was about.
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Old Jan 17, 2019, 8:17 pm
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Originally Posted by gooselee
Not if booked trough VS, which is what I thought your question was about.
Oops! I forgot about that! Thank you for your answers to my questions!
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Originally Posted by TWAnonrev
I did a VS flight BOS-LHR-BOS in Upper Class after using 25,000 sky miles to upgrade from a paid Premium G fare (and paying the additional $200~ luxury departure tax from LHR).

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And paying for PE and upgrading with only 25,000 miles RT was definitely a bargain, even with the $200 departure tax.
If you purchased Premium (DL G) and then upgraded to Upper (VS G), you had already paid the luxury tax in your DL G fare and you should not have paid an additional ~$200 when your upgrade was processed. You should ask for a refund. (Although I knew this when I did this upgrade, the phone agent proactively called the international reissues desk to double check.)

You can verify this in the original email receipt you got from your DL G booking (before any upgrades are applied). It should have a line like

United Kingdom - Air Passenger Duty (APD) (GB) $200.50 USD
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Old Jan 18, 2019, 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by gooselee
I really like the VS PE product for TATLs. Westbound it's all I need. Eastbound it's a toss up...for shorter flights like JFK-LHR I sometimes feel like it's a waste to be in UC.
For Eastbound JFK-LHR, I take the morning daytime flight which is awesome, especially now that it has wifi. Get a full day of work in on the plane, land and get to the hotel in time for bed.

TBH if I were paying cash for J I'd probably book Delta, as VS UC is really lacking in many hard product ways. (Super dense cabins, annoying seats, mediocre IFE.) I've only done the mileage upgrade thing because there was availability and I had miles to burn.
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Old Jan 18, 2019, 6:56 pm
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Originally Posted by bennos
For Eastbound JFK-LHR, I take the morning daytime flight which is awesome, especially now that it has wifi. Get a full day of work in on the plane, land and get to the hotel in time for bed.

TBH if I were paying cash for J I'd probably book Delta, as VS UC is really lacking in many hard product ways. (Super dense cabins, annoying seats, mediocre IFE.) I've only done the mileage upgrade thing because there was availability and I had miles to burn.
Yeah my schedule has never worked out to take that morning flight (esp. since I'm usually originating from ATL or IAD), but it's attractive for exactly the reason you state. And I'm trying to burn miles these days...Mrs. Lee and I have skipped our usual giant annual trip for the last two years so they've started to pile up.

Also agree on VS UC. It's really not great and if I were paying cash, I'd look elsewhere. My next trip over I'm on a KL 787 eastbound (from SFO, so a full night's rest), and then a DL 332 back to ATL, both in J. Looking forward to trying the new-to-me KL product.
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Old Mar 7, 2019, 4:04 am
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Upgraded with miles

I called DL and was able to upgrade from a premier select flight booked through DL on VS flight from IAD to LHR for 25,000 miles (one way). The miles were immediately removed from my SM and the upgrade was showing in DL system, but it wasn't until the next day that it was showing in the VS system and I was able to select UC seat. The flight now shows a VS flight number vs DL so I will keep an eye to see how the miles track.
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Old Mar 24, 2019, 10:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Jewel21
I called DL and was able to upgrade from a premier select flight booked through DL on VS flight from IAD to LHR for 25,000 miles (one way). The miles were immediately removed from my SM and the upgrade was showing in DL system, but it wasn't until the next day that it was showing in the VS system and I was able to select UC seat. The flight now shows a VS flight number vs DL so I will keep an eye to see how the miles track.
How far away from departure where you? I've tried unsuccessfully to upgrade with miles from SEA to LHR 4 times in the last 6 months.
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Old Mar 25, 2019, 2:54 pm
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I was 8 days out. I attempted the same on the return flight at 4 days out and there was nothing available.
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Old May 27, 2019, 2:00 pm
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If I only want to upgrade the return leg of a round-trip flight with DL miles, is it sufficient for just the return leg to be in the appropriate economy fare class? Meaning the return leg will be in H, Q, or K class so that it can be upgradeable, but the outbound leg can be any fare class?
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Old May 27, 2019, 2:03 pm
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Originally Posted by pennystinkard
If I only want to upgrade the return leg of a round-trip flight with DL miles, is it sufficient for just the return leg to be in the appropriate economy fare class? Meaning the return leg will be in H, Q, or K class so that it can be upgradeable, but the outbound leg can be any fare class?
Yes. However, if you are paying more for that coach fare because you are planning to upgrade, I would call Delta first and make sure that upgrade inventory is available before you spend that money.

Also, I suggest that you check the price difference between H/Q/K and premium economy (G). It may not be that much more, and if you don't get an upgrade to Upper Class, you will still end up in a much better seat for spending extra cash (and yes, G fares can be upgraded to Upper Class, for 25K Sky Miles one way).
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Old May 27, 2019, 2:05 pm
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Thanks. And if I book through VS, there is no way to ever upgrade with DL miles, right? I only ask because I am on the fence between booking through VS to credit the miles to SQ (my primary airline), or booking through DL so I can upgrade with DL miles.
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Old May 27, 2019, 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by pennystinkard
Thanks. And if I book through VS, there is no way to ever upgrade with DL miles, right? I only ask because I am on the fence between booking through VS to credit the miles to SQ (my primary airline), or booking through DL so I can upgrade with DL miles.
Mostly correct. In advance you can only use miles to upgrade from the airline you booked through. If you book through DL, VS can't touch the ticket until the airport takes control. At that point, you can use VS miles to upgrade (at the airport ticket counter). You can never use Delta miles to upgrade if you book through VS.
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Old May 27, 2019, 2:34 pm
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Thanks again, that was my understanding as well. I found award availability on the day I'd like to fly, the only issue is that I don't have enough DL miles right now. Any idea how much it would cost in cash to upgrade (at the airport) a Q-class seat to Upper Class from LHR to LAX?
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