Delta releases documentary highlighting ME3 subsidies
Jun 29, 2017, 10:59 pm
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This is ridiculous propaganda vis-a-vis the shielding/benefits that US majors get from the US gov't. Air travel is such a strategic/valued industry at the national level that international competition is bound to be polluted.
Live with it or be content as a domestic carrier screwing marginally served, overpriced monopoly routes.
Live with it or be content as a domestic carrier screwing marginally served, overpriced monopoly routes.
Jun 30, 2017, 6:19 am
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Me thinks that Delta thinks it is a worldwide player in the airline market...it is not a player. It should realize that it is a domestic airline that offers international options and those are limited. Again they are the kid that no one likes who grabs his football and cries all the way home about why he has no friends....
Also we need to post to youtube...comments would be epic.
Also we need to post to youtube...comments would be epic.
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Jun 30, 2017, 7:04 am
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Jun 30, 2017, 7:09 am
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I must have missed the part in the documentary about all the subsidies DL have and continues to receive... fuel tax breaks, bankruptcy protection, dumping pension obligations on the government. As Paki81 notes, if DL had a better product, more people would fly them. Give it up DL, stop acting and whining like a 2 year old.
Folks on FT seem wholly unclear as to what constitutes a government subsidy. Not sure why that is. It isn't a difficult concept, but FT isn't exactly the place for informed and reasoned assessment.
Jun 30, 2017, 7:16 am
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Jun 30, 2017, 8:32 am
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Why?....can't fly to Cape Town, Nairobi, Moscow, Dubai, Melbourne, Perth, Brisbane, Auckland, Dar Es Salaam, Bangkok, Budapest, Istanbul, Dehli, Helsinki, Kiev, Bucharest, Vienna, Marrakech, London Gatwick or Mumbai etc on Delta Metal? Of course I can book KLM or Air France but I imagine you know that all ready.
Jun 30, 2017, 9:07 am
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It's not like EK is all that cheap to fly. I was looking at going to Dubai from SFO in early October and EK was about $8k and AF is about $4,300.
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Jun 30, 2017, 10:32 am
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I could only watch a few minutes of the video before I was sickened by the over-the-top hyperbole. What was particularly egregious is the overuse of "our," like Delta felt it was entitled to be protected in certain markets and on certain routes. If you want to be a business, you need to compete.
Jun 30, 2017, 10:39 am
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Jun 30, 2017, 10:48 am
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This is what I don't understand. DL complains of subsidies that lower prices. I flew on DL both to India and Dubai back when they were flying there on more than one occasion. Emirates seats, at least in coach, are not much if any cheaper. Maybe you could get business for $5k as opposed to $9k on DL but I never found Emirates to be significantly cheaper. And the Delta flights were always packed. These subsidies certainly are not obvious to me. And Emirates definitely has a better product.
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Jun 30, 2017, 11:12 am
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Jun 30, 2017, 12:13 pm
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Yes and IIRC there is one other group that is unionized.
I was surprised to see that large of a fare difference in J. I do understand from looking at photos and listening to others that EK has a great product in J and I would like to try it, but $8k is a bit steep on my dime.
I think my biggest concern with the ME3 is the lower wages and the way they treat their FAs would be illegal here.
This is what I don't understand. DL complains of subsidies that lower prices. I flew on DL both to India and Dubai back when they were flying there on more than one occasion. Emirates seats, at least in coach, are not much if any cheaper. Maybe you could get business for $5k as opposed to $9k on DL but I never found Emirates to be significantly cheaper. And the Delta flights were always packed. These subsidies certainly are not obvious to me. And Emirates definitely has a better product.
I think my biggest concern with the ME3 is the lower wages and the way they treat their FAs would be illegal here.
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Jun 30, 2017, 12:21 pm
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And in what way do they treat their FAs that you think "would be illegal" here?
Jun 30, 2017, 12:41 pm
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It would also be frowned upon, though not illegal, for the US airlines to require employees to use (free) employer-provided medical care or (free) company housing.
I don't even want to start on the additional training the ME3 require of their employees. How horrible would it be if US airlines required employees to receive 6 months of paid training instead of 6-8 weeks of unpaid training?