Future of Seattle
Apr 18, 2017, 5:06 am
#48
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I am thinking geopolitically that NRT is best, given the current read on the nut cases up north. The bad news is that N. Korea, even under The Donald, is probably not going to be solved there may not be much left of ICN.
Dangerous stuff in the Koreas. I'd rethink that for years to come.
Dangerous stuff in the Koreas. I'd rethink that for years to come.
Apr 18, 2017, 7:46 am
#49
Join Date: Jan 2007
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TLDR is DL (Anderson) acted like a jilted lover when KE didn't go for the JV. I've said previously that Anderson's departure and the financial troubles with KE's parent opened the door to revisit the relationship. I'm glad to see it worked out.
Apr 18, 2017, 12:55 pm
#50
Join Date: Sep 2015
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KE has (at most) once-daily to XIY, CSX, DLC, CAN, HFE, TXN, TNA, SZX, WEH, WUH, XMN, YNJ, all of which depart ICN in the early AM and will miss the standard banks of TPAC flights to ICN from SEA,DTW,ATL arriving late afternoon. TAO, SHE, TSN are twice daily, but both flights also miss any reasonable TPAC arrival bank. KWE, KMG, NNG are tourist destinations with departures in the evening.
If this is going to work, KE is going to have to make a decision between serving its local business traffic, which presumably wants AM flights to these cities, and its JV traffic. Or find a way to increase capacity.
UA already serves some of these through the JV with NH, but some flights have the same issue (AM departure or HND departure rather than NRT). My point being that UA is choosing the prime secondary cities (HGH and CTU are the number 5 and number 7 Chinese metro areas by population and major business hubs) for non-stops from SFO, and it's not clear how well a DL/KE JV will actually compete.
If this is going to work, KE is going to have to make a decision between serving its local business traffic, which presumably wants AM flights to these cities, and its JV traffic. Or find a way to increase capacity.
UA already serves some of these through the JV with NH, but some flights have the same issue (AM departure or HND departure rather than NRT). My point being that UA is choosing the prime secondary cities (HGH and CTU are the number 5 and number 7 Chinese metro areas by population and major business hubs) for non-stops from SFO, and it's not clear how well a DL/KE JV will actually compete.
DL can't compete when UA offers a nonstop from SFO, but from the countless cities where that is not the case, DL has an even playing field with KE and MU.
Apr 18, 2017, 2:06 pm
#51
Join Date: Apr 2011
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The DL/KE JV does NOT include China. Not sure if that was carved out because DL is hoping for an eventual Open Skies US/China agreement followed by a JV with MU, or if they would not be able to have one due to some type of US or Chinese or Korean government regulation.
Apr 19, 2017, 1:56 am
#52
Join Date: Jul 2006
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http://crankyflier.com/2013/09/05/de...e-their-fight/
TLDR is DL (Anderson) acted like a jilted lover when KE didn't go for the JV. I've said previously that Anderson's departure and the financial troubles with KE's parent opened the door to revisit the relationship. I'm glad to see it worked out.
TLDR is DL (Anderson) acted like a jilted lover when KE didn't go for the JV. I've said previously that Anderson's departure and the financial troubles with KE's parent opened the door to revisit the relationship. I'm glad to see it worked out.
Apr 19, 2017, 1:58 am
#53
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Apr 25, 2017, 1:29 am
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May 20, 2017, 4:13 pm
#57
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Certainly not. DL has plenty of domestic traffic to SEA and if you're coming from outside the US and flying into YVR, you have to clear immigration twice--once in Canada and then again in the US. Some travelers won't have the visas to do it, and even those who can probably won't want to. There may be some travelers to go to YVR and find their way to the Seattle area, but I doubt it will be very many, even if the laptop ban happens.
May 20, 2017, 4:24 pm
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Certainly not. DL has plenty of domestic traffic to SEA and if you're coming from outside the US and flying into YVR, you have to clear immigration twice--once in Canada and then again in the US. Some travelers won't have the visas to do it, and even those who can probably won't want to. There may be some travelers to go to YVR and find their way to the Seattle area, but I doubt it will be very many, even if the laptop ban happens.
May 20, 2017, 4:31 pm
#59
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Doesn't matter. You would still have to clear an extra set of customs/immigration to/from Canada, and I'm guessing most travelers don't want to come off a 10 hour international flight and have to drive 3 hours afterward. I know I certainly would rather check a laptop than have to deal with that. I'm not saying nobody would do it, but I am saying not nearly enough people would do it that it would be the end of DL in SEA.
May 20, 2017, 5:01 pm
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Doesn't matter. You would still have to clear an extra set of customs/immigration to/from Canada, and I'm guessing most travelers don't want to come off a 10 hour international flight and have to drive 3 hours afterward. I know I certainly would rather check a laptop than have to deal with that. I'm not saying nobody would do it, but I am saying not nearly enough people would do it that it would be the end of DL in SEA.