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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:22 am
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Originally Posted by OHDL1
I've always wondered why someone doesn't sit around at a hub...or outstation for that matter, with a laptop and buy a refundable ticket...and go for the gold flight after flight.
A while ago, someone did try this, although I forget the airline which declared it to be ticket fraud as he was buying fully refundable tickets but never flying them. He would cancel ticket after ticket during a single day as it became clear that he wasn't getting a VDB on the flight.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:24 am
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Originally Posted by richarddd
Remember the guy who rolled over refundable F tickets in order to stay at an F lounge?
what happened to him?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:25 am
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Originally Posted by ShutteLag
what happened to him?
An instance with Lufthansa Business lounges.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:25 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
IDB must be paid in money, not vouchers, unless you voluntarily accept a voucher instead. DOT rules.
If I'm not mistaken....IDB amounts haven't been raised...just VDB. So, if you were stubborn and held out for IDB...what you get in compensation would be lower, but in the form of a check. Right?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:27 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
A while ago, someone did try this, although I forget the airline which declared it to be ticket fraud as he was buying fully refundable tickets but never flying them. He would cancel ticket after ticket during a single day as it became clear that he wasn't getting a VDB on the flight.
Hmmm....wonder what a court would say about that?
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:28 am
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Originally Posted by OHDL1
If I'm not mistaken....IDB amounts haven't been raised...just VDB. So, if you were stubborn and held out for IDB...what you get in compensation would be lower, but in the form of a check. Right?
VDB is set by airlines and IDB is set by government regulation. Airlines are required to solicit volunteers, but not for any specific amount.

Clearly airlines want to spend the least money possible, so before this UA fiasco standard practice was to offer VDB up to what the IDB would cost the airline. Of course vouchers have a different cost to the airline than cash.

Now Delta has prioritized their customers and PR to essentially eliminate IDB, but the IDB amounts have not changed.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:30 am
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Originally Posted by OHDL1
If I'm not mistaken....IDB amounts haven't been raised...just VDB. So, if you were stubborn and held out for IDB...what you get in compensation would be lower, but in the form of a check. Right?
True, but there's no guarantee that you will be picked for the IDB. DOT rules say they're supposed to follow the priority ordering announced in their CoC, so the GA can't pick a particular passenger, even if that passenger wants to be chosen.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:34 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
True, but there's no guarantee that you will be picked for the IDB. DOT rules say they're supposed to follow the priority ordering announced in their CoC, so the GA can't pick a particular passenger, even if that passenger wants to be chosen.
And on Delta if you have GM+ status you are unlikely to be chosen anyway:

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Involuntary Denied Boarding
If an insufficient number of passengers volunteer to give up their seats in response to Delta’s
offer, Delta may involuntarily deny boarding to one or more passengers on the oversold flight
according to the following boarding priority rules:
1) Passengers Holding Tickets for Travel in Premium Cabin, SkyMiles members identified
with a Diamond Medallion (“DM”), Platinum Medallion (“PM”), or Gold Medallion (“GM”)
elite-status designation, and passengers holding tickets purchased under a DL
corporate travel agreement.
Passengers holding tickets for confirmed space in the First or Business class cabin,
SkyMiles members identified with a DM, PM, or GM elite-status designation, and
passengers holding tickets purchased under a DL corporate travel agreement will be
accommodated before other passengers holding tickets and/or boarding passes for
confirmed space in the coach cabin.
2) Passengers With Boarding Passes
Subject to the terms set forth in Rule 245(c )(1) and (4), passengers holding boarding
passes who check in and present themselves at the departure gate in compliance with
Rule 135(c) will be accommodated before passengers traveling in the same cabin who
have not been issued boarding passes or who fail to comply with applicable check-in
requirements. Subject to the availability of seats on the aircraft, boarding passes may
be obtained by passengers who hold tickets for confirmed reserved space in the
following manner:
a) for passengers traveling on electronic tickets, through the Online Check-in feature
on Delta.com within 24 hours of scheduled departure
Delta Domestic General Rules Tariff Page 43 of 51
b) for passengers traveling on electronic tickets, through a Delta airport kiosk within
four hours of scheduled departure
c) from a Delta airport ticket counter and/or the check-in desk located in the departure
area.
3) Passengers Without Boarding Passes
Passengers, who are not governed by Rule 245(c)(1) or (4), with confirmed reservations
who have not been issued a boarding pass and present themselves at the departure
gate in compliance with rule 135(c) will be accommodated according to the following
priority rules:
a) Passengers who have been rebooked to the present flight as a result of an irregular
operation (e.g., delay, cancellation) of a previously booked flight.
b) SkyMiles members identified with a Silver Medallion (“FO”) elite-status designation.
c) Passengers with a SkyTeam Elite or Elite Plus status.
d) Passengers without any elite-status designation.
Within each of the foregoing groups, passengers are prioritized first by class of service
and then by time of check-in.
4) Special Needs Passengers
Because of the special needs of passengers with disabilities, unaccompanied children,
and aged or infirm passengers, and active members of the U.S. Armed Forces on travel
orders, Delta reserves the right to accommodate such passengers without regard to the
boarding priorities established by this provision.
Delta Domestic CoC (pdf)
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:35 am
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The $9,950 is to fall just below the $10,000 mark for federal reporting requirements for anti-money laundering. If DL has another IT meltdown, it happens around a major holiday and you can't get the VDB home for a few days, yes I could see it approach the limit. If DL is offering $2K even, I am happy to celebrate xmas a few days late!
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:41 am
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Mostly a PR move. The chances of any VDB becoming that anywhere close to that size are null. DL already has close to zero IDB rates. The amounts we see won't materially change. The only real news is the $2,000 limit, but that also may never be reached.

Originally Posted by Keith2004
Kudos to delta for this, I assume UA will probably have to match and maybe AA too

Another reminder I picked the right Airline to be loyal to
Just remember that DL screwed over hundreds of thousands of passengers and lied about the causes to deny proper compensation. What they did was infinitely worse.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:44 am
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How about for a flight to the Super Bowl or something similar? People pay huge amounts of money for tickets/packages to certain sporting events. For example, check what people were paying to attend last summer's Ryder Cup near MSP.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:51 am
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Originally Posted by Widgets
I bet this change is going to practically end most secondary compensation like hotels, meals, and car rentals.
DL will need to change their published customer commitments to not offer the hotel.

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...ommitment.html
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 11:59 am
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Originally Posted by Kevin AA
Preferred by Delta but most certainly not preferred by the passenger. Who wants to pay for a hotel themselves for $89 in exchange for 89 Delta dollars?
Agreed. If it was an Amex gift card, I'd be more okay with it though.
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 12:01 pm
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$9950 which include 195*$50 ahhhh
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Old Apr 14, 2017, 12:03 pm
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Originally Posted by pbarnette
DL will need to change their published customer commitments to not offer the hotel.

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...ommitment.html
Providing hotel accommodations at Delta-contracted facilities, if you are away from your home and are involuntarily bumped from a flight and we are unable to accommodate you on an alternative flight on the same travel day. If hotel accommodations are unavailable, we will compensate you with a transportation credit commensurate in value with the contracted hotel rate up to $100.
Hotels for volunteers aren't part of the published customer commitments.
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