Certain Partner J Awards to Europe now 85,000 miles?
Apr 7, 17, 12:17 pm
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Certain Partner J Awards to Europe now 85,000 miles?
Apologies if this has been covered before, but it seems like certain partner flights in business class are now 85,000 miles each way between the US and Europe. I noticed this looking at Air France, Virgin and KLM nonstop flights from certain US airports, like IAD and LAX, to CDG, LHR and AMS.
I realize there is no award chart so they can up the mileage whenever they want, but this is pretty painful considering these were just adjusted to 70,000 last summer. Perhaps just a temporary glitch?
I realize there is no award chart so they can up the mileage whenever they want, but this is pretty painful considering these were just adjusted to 70,000 last summer. Perhaps just a temporary glitch?
Last edited by Billy Mumphrey; Apr 7, 17 at 12:42 pm
Apr 7, 17, 12:32 pm
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What is the date range of your search where you're seeing 85K awards?
I tried a number of search strings in advanced search constrained to the last year and didn't see other posts. Maybe you are the first to post.
I tried a number of search strings in advanced search constrained to the last year and didn't see other posts. Maybe you are the first to post.
Apr 7, 17, 12:42 pm
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
What is the date range of your search where you're seeing 85K awards?
I tried a number of search strings in advanced search constrained to the last year and didn't see other posts. Maybe you are the first to post.
I tried a number of search strings in advanced search constrained to the last year and didn't see other posts. Maybe you are the first to post.
For example, see May 26 IAD-LHR on Virgin.
Apr 7, 17, 12:48 pm
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It's known that VS prices higher. AF/KL at rates other than 70k one-way would be new.
Edit: sure enough... found CSM850 for LAX-CDG. Also for JFK-CDG, while DL metal remains at 70k (see Feb 2018).
Also seeing this for other partners and regions. LAX-PVG is 80k on DL metal but 95k on MU (also Feb 2018).
Looks like we've arrived at UA-style partner penalty pricing.
Edit: sure enough... found CSM850 for LAX-CDG. Also for JFK-CDG, while DL metal remains at 70k (see Feb 2018).
Also seeing this for other partners and regions. LAX-PVG is 80k on DL metal but 95k on MU (also Feb 2018).
Looks like we've arrived at UA-style partner penalty pricing.
Last edited by javabytes; Apr 7, 17 at 12:55 pm
Apr 7, 17, 1:15 pm
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Originally Posted by javabytes
It's known that VS prices higher. AF/KL at rates other than 70k one-way would be new.
Edit: sure enough... found CSM850 for LAX-CDG. Also for JFK-CDG, while DL metal remains at 70k (see Feb 2018).
Also seeing this for other partners and regions. LAX-PVG is 80k on DL metal but 95k on MU (also Feb 2018).
Looks like we've arrived at UA-style partner penalty pricing.
Edit: sure enough... found CSM850 for LAX-CDG. Also for JFK-CDG, while DL metal remains at 70k (see Feb 2018).
Also seeing this for other partners and regions. LAX-PVG is 80k on DL metal but 95k on MU (also Feb 2018).
Looks like we've arrived at UA-style partner penalty pricing.
Apr 7, 17, 1:32 pm
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Delta just increased all of their partner award travel for flights that do not include any Delta metal. China Airlines LAX-TPE is now 95K but if you tack on a Delta metal flight either domestically or route through PVG on DL it is still 80K.
Looks like same thing United did a year or two ago.
Looks like same thing United did a year or two ago.
Apr 7, 17, 2:17 pm
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Originally Posted by steveholt
VS was pricing at 70k from JFK-LHR earlier this week for me, so that would not be accurate.
Apr 7, 17, 2:17 pm
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This is ridiculous. How can they raise award miles needed like every 6 months. They just moved US-India in J to 97,500 (highest of any US airline). Now if you do not have DL in one leg of your journey, you pay 120k each way! That is crazy. So JFK-CDG-BOM all on AF is 120k while JFK-CDG-BOM on DL and then AF or 9W is 97,500. As much as I hate EWR & UA, I really need to think about what I will do in 2018. UA's 80k for partner airlines to India is like a steal. AA is even cheaper but its too dependent on EY.
Apr 7, 17, 2:27 pm
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Does a long haul need to be on DL? or just any Delta flight at all? IE if I add SAT-JFK but then fly AF JFK-CDG-JNB does it satisfy the DL flight requirement. If so then this just sounds like a move to stop people from booking low mileage tickets from another city because the DL flight wasn't available from their true origin in low and thus get around additive pricing.
Apr 7, 17, 2:37 pm
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Originally Posted by muntz73
Delta just increased all of their partner award travel for flights that do not include any Delta metal. China Airlines LAX-TPE is now 95K but if you tack on a Delta metal flight either domestically or route through PVG on DL it is still 80K.
Looks like same thing United did a year or two ago.
Looks like same thing United did a year or two ago.
Apr 7, 17, 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
Does a long haul need to be on DL? or just any Delta flight at all? IE if I add SAT-JFK but then fly AF JFK-CDG-JNB does it satisfy the DL flight requirement. If so then this just sounds like a move to stop people from booking low mileage tickets from another city because the DL flight wasn't available from their true origin in low and thus get around additive pricing.
Apr 7, 17, 2:40 pm
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
Does a long haul need to be on DL? or just any Delta flight at all? IE if I add SAT-JFK but then fly AF JFK-CDG-JNB does it satisfy the DL flight requirement. If so then this just sounds like a move to stop people from booking low mileage tickets from another city because the DL flight wasn't available from their true origin in low and thus get around additive pricing.
Apr 7, 17, 2:41 pm
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http://viewfromthewing.boardingarea....award-pricing/
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/04/del...ards-devalued/
I swear I used to find partner Business Class awards for less than DL.
https://thepointsguy.com/2017/04/del...ards-devalued/
I swear I used to find partner Business Class awards for less than DL.
