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#17
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I had this scenario just last week. I flew 7am RDU-JFK and then had a 8p flight to Iceland. The gate agent in RDU checked my bags through to Iceland and we went into Manhattan for the day and visited the 9/11 memorial and museum, rode bikes up the west side, went to Chelsea market for lunch, spent a couple of hours in Central Park, had an earlier dinner, and then headed back to JFK.
Everything worked great (including using the showers in the SkyClub) and the bags arrived on time. I'll admit I was pretty relieved when I got a notification on the app that my bags had been loaded though).
Everything worked great (including using the showers in the SkyClub) and the bags arrived on time. I'll admit I was pretty relieved when I got a notification on the app that my bags had been loaded though).
#18
Join Date: Nov 2013
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but is this connection even possible? GIG-JFK on Delta arriving 5:18pm and JFK-MAN on Virgin Atlantic departing 6:20pm. It allows me to ticket it but may be setting myself up for disappointment. I believe they are the same terminal, but not sure. Even if they are the same terminal it seems very tight, even with Global Entry, and not sure how bags are handled. Only one flight each day so I don't have much choice there.
#19
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It’s cutting things a little close but it’s definitely doable especially with Global Entry. I assume you’ll have to go through customs at JFK and then recheck your bags at the counter just outside the customs hall.
JFK/MAN is operated by VS, which is in the same terminal.
JFK/MAN is operated by VS, which is in the same terminal.
#20
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It’s cutting things a little close but it’s definitely doable especially with Global Entry. I assume you’ll have to go through customs at JFK and then recheck your bags at the counter just outside the customs hall.
JFK/MAN is operated by VS, which is in the same terminal.
JFK/MAN is operated by VS, which is in the same terminal.
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Would you have to go through security again? I've done international-domestic connections but never international-international connection, but not sure there's a difference. Flying in DeltaOne on the GIG-JFK may help speed things up since I presume you're first off the plane and first to get your bags.
I'm surprised it lets you ticket this as the wiki on the MCT thread says I-I DL-VS is 1h25m.
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Sorry to hijack the thread, but is this connection even possible? GIG-JFK on Delta arriving 5:18pm and JFK-MAN on Virgin Atlantic departing 6:20pm. It allows me to ticket it but may be setting myself up for disappointment. I believe they are the same terminal, but not sure. Even if they are the same terminal it seems very tight, even with Global Entry, and not sure how bags are handled. Only one flight each day so I don't have much choice there.
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Delta's website, for example, will not show this itinerary if book direct on its site.
Good for you for getting this on one ticket. In case of arrival delay into JFK, DL will likely re-book you on another European destination with a later departure time, and an intra-Europe flight to MAN.
Good for you for getting this on one ticket. In case of arrival delay into JFK, DL will likely re-book you on another European destination with a later departure time, and an intra-Europe flight to MAN.
#25
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Where/with whom did you book? It doesnt meet MCT (minimum connect time, which is 1 hour 25 minutes for DL-VS INTERNAINTERNATIONAL)
You will likely not be allowed to checkin, nor check bags at GIG. The system will see below MCT and should refuse to allow checkin or bag checking.
Has the times changed since you booked? If so call now and get rebooked. If this was booked with DL, and a schedule change has occured they'll rebook you onto anything you like that works. It might mean a change to routing. Including flying GIG-AMS/CDG-MAN with AF/KLM.
Also I'm confused as you're booked in Business class on one flight and coach for connecting. Was it booked all at once?
You will likely not be allowed to checkin, nor check bags at GIG. The system will see below MCT and should refuse to allow checkin or bag checking.
Has the times changed since you booked? If so call now and get rebooked. If this was booked with DL, and a schedule change has occured they'll rebook you onto anything you like that works. It might mean a change to routing. Including flying GIG-AMS/CDG-MAN with AF/KLM.
Also I'm confused as you're booked in Business class on one flight and coach for connecting. Was it booked all at once?
Last edited by flyerCO; Jun 15, 2019 at 6:11 pm
#26
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Where/with whom did you book? It doesnt meet MCT (minimum connect time, which is 1 hour 25 minutes for DL-VS INTERNAINTERNATIONAL)
You will likely not be allowed to checkin, nor check bags at GIG. The system will see below MCT and should refuse to allow checkin or bag checking.
Has the times changed since you booked? If so call now and get rebooked. If this was booked with DL, and a schedule change has occured they'll rebook you onto anything you like that works. It might mean a change to routing. Including flying GIG-AMS/CDG-MAN with AF/KLM.
Also I'm confused as you're booked in Business class on one flight and coach for connecting. Was it booked all at once?
You will likely not be allowed to checkin, nor check bags at GIG. The system will see below MCT and should refuse to allow checkin or bag checking.
Has the times changed since you booked? If so call now and get rebooked. If this was booked with DL, and a schedule change has occured they'll rebook you onto anything you like that works. It might mean a change to routing. Including flying GIG-AMS/CDG-MAN with AF/KLM.
Also I'm confused as you're booked in Business class on one flight and coach for connecting. Was it booked all at once?
You currently hold a ticket that cannot be flown. FlyerCO is correct that DL check-in in GIG will almost certainly not allow this ticket to be issued a boarding pass.
On the other hand, you have a "golden ticket". If you find ANY different itinerary - particularly if all flights are DL metal - DL will allow you to change to that new itinerary at no charge. On the other hand, if you prefer, DL will refund your purchase, as the ticketed itinerary (perhaps due to a schedule change) is no longer legal (it does not meet MCT in JFK).
#28
Join Date: Aug 2012
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It will be literally impossible to make unless your first flight lands early or your second flight is delayed.
Global entry will get you through passport control quickly but by the time your bags come off the carousel, even if they are the very first ones, you won't have time to re-check, re-clear, and get to the gate.
Global entry will get you through passport control quickly but by the time your bags come off the carousel, even if they are the very first ones, you won't have time to re-check, re-clear, and get to the gate.
#29
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I would find a better combination of flights and call delta (or virgin if it’s on their ticket stock) and ask for a routing that is legal. They should do this with no additional collection as it never should have been ticketed in the first place.
I also don’t understand the combination of fares. Start with delta and make sure the ticketing is issued properly, then ask how you can get a different routing. Will be better if you call with specific flights in mind.
I also don’t understand the combination of fares. Start with delta and make sure the ticketing is issued properly, then ask how you can get a different routing. Will be better if you call with specific flights in mind.
#30
Join Date: Oct 2005
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Booked an award ticket for my sister and her husband with a similar 10 hour layover at JFK (all one ticket). About 4 hours before their TATL flight I got a call from Delta baggage office at JFK asking whether they were going to make the onward flight. I responded that they had been in the SkyClub for the last 6 hours, and yes, they intended to take their flight as booked and not randomly abandon the ticket to stay in NYC. I'm sure it has to do with the pax/bag matching on international flights, but seemed sort of redundant to me. If you have a long layover like this probably best to make sure that your contact info is correct and you have the phone that is in your profile on and answer a random NYC phone number call if at the airport and this happens. Their bag tracking website information also said something about "baggage held in baggage office" then "baggage released" after I assured the agent that they would be taking the flight.