RUC with Pay with Miles question
Feb 9, 2017, 7:27 am
#1
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RUC with Pay with Miles question
Has anyone combined a pay with miles ticket (i.e. using 20,000 miles to knock $200 off the price) with a RUC? Or is this prohibited? Want to make sure I can combine before I book my flight. Thanks!
Feb 9, 2017, 7:33 am
#2
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I don't believe you can do that. The PWM portion is treated as an award in terms of earnings and in fact a certificate is issued for the mileage redemption portion.
Feb 9, 2017, 8:36 am
#3
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Minneapolis
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Per T & C's
Not Combinable: This certificate may not be combined with any other promotional or discount offers or SkyMiles program awards. Valid only with a published qualifying fare, including corporate fares beginning with the letter `X`, `C` or `A`.
Not Combinable: This certificate may not be combined with any other promotional or discount offers or SkyMiles program awards. Valid only with a published qualifying fare, including corporate fares beginning with the letter `X`, `C` or `A`.
Feb 9, 2017, 8:46 am
#5
Join Date: Sep 2006
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I found out the hard way a year or so ago when I tried to use an RUC on a flight where I did exactly what you suggested -- knocked $200 of the price with PWM.
The language in the T&Cs say Medallion Upgrades are allowed but no other upgrades can be done (RUC, GUC, miles, etc.)
The language in the T&Cs say Medallion Upgrades are allowed but no other upgrades can be done (RUC, GUC, miles, etc.)
Jan 26, 2019, 12:19 pm
#6
Join Date: May 2014
Location: PWM
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Did this change? Can we now use a RUC on a ticket purchased partially or fully with PWM?
From https://www.delta.com/en_US/skymiles...pay-with-miles under Restrictions:
Tickets purchased with full or partial Pay with Miles redemptions are eligible for Global or Regional Upgrade Certificates but not eligible for mileage upgrades.
Seems obvious to me but everything I've searched on FT seems to indicate the opposite.
From https://www.delta.com/en_US/skymiles...pay-with-miles under Restrictions:
Tickets purchased with full or partial Pay with Miles redemptions are eligible for Global or Regional Upgrade Certificates but not eligible for mileage upgrades.
Seems obvious to me but everything I've searched on FT seems to indicate the opposite.
Jan 26, 2019, 12:29 pm
#7
Join Date: Aug 2003
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Did this change? Can we now use a RUC on a ticket purchased partially or fully with PWM?
From https://www.delta.com/en_US/skymiles...pay-with-miles under Restrictions:
Tickets purchased with full or partial Pay with Miles redemptions are eligible for Global or Regional Upgrade Certificates but not eligible for mileage upgrades.
Seems obvious to me but everything I've searched on FT seems to indicate the opposite.
From https://www.delta.com/en_US/skymiles...pay-with-miles under Restrictions:
Tickets purchased with full or partial Pay with Miles redemptions are eligible for Global or Regional Upgrade Certificates but not eligible for mileage upgrades.
Seems obvious to me but everything I've searched on FT seems to indicate the opposite.
Jan 26, 2019, 4:35 pm
#9
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MSP
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I was recently refused use of an RUC with a partial PWM ticket. Fortunately I was within the 24-hour cancellation period, so I cancelled the ticket and started all over again. It was the last chance to use the RUC before its expiration date.
Jan 26, 2019, 4:44 pm
#10
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: MSP
Programs: Delta PM, 1MM
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Did this change? Can we now use a RUC on a ticket purchased partially or fully with PWM?
From https://www.delta.com/en_US/skymiles...pay-with-miles under Restrictions:
Tickets purchased with full or partial Pay with Miles redemptions are eligible for Global or Regional Upgrade Certificates but not eligible for mileage upgrades.
Seems obvious to me but everything I've searched on FT seems to indicate the opposite.
From https://www.delta.com/en_US/skymiles...pay-with-miles under Restrictions:
Tickets purchased with full or partial Pay with Miles redemptions are eligible for Global or Regional Upgrade Certificates but not eligible for mileage upgrades.
Seems obvious to me but everything I've searched on FT seems to indicate the opposite.
The certificate is not combinable with any other ticket designator programs or special status fares such as: Government, military, no-value, VUSA, round-the-world, agency/industry discount, group, senior, student, infant, child, SkyMiles award tickets, Miles + Cash, Pay with Miles, coupon, certificate or any other fares/tickets which may later be specified by DL with or without notice.
I wish I’d seen the first statement before I accepted the second one.
Jan 26, 2019, 9:39 pm
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Here’s what it says in the T&C for RUCs, incontradiction of the T&Cs for Pay with Miles:
The certificate is not combinable with any other ticket designator programs or special status fares such as: Government, military, no-value, VUSA, round-the-world, agency/industry discount, group, senior, student, infant, child, SkyMiles award tickets, Miles + Cash, Pay with Miles, coupon, certificate or any other fares/tickets which may later be specified by DL with or without notice.
I wish I’d seen the first statement before I accepted the second one.
Whoever edited the T&Cs did a horrible job of it, but as of right now RUCs *can* be used on PWM tickets.
ETA: See #7 Applicable Fare Classes in the RUC terms on this page https://www.delta.com/content/www/en_US/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-upgrades.html/#certificate
Jan 27, 2019, 7:46 am
#12
Join Date: May 2014
Location: PWM
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Wow, thanks a ton gooselee. I'm highly concerned with reports like CarmenOM made above but based on all the T&C's it should be possible. Other FT searches I did indicate issues like CarmenOM reported. Delta sure does make us work for these "benefits"
Jan 27, 2019, 6:16 pm
#13
Join Date: May 2014
Location: PWM
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Posts: 822
Quick update,the above is accurate. I successfully applied/cleared/waitlisted RUC's for myself & a companion on various segments for a Main Cabin tickets I used PWM to help with. She had to get some help to force it through, but they got it done.