Is Delta about to encourage Asian travel via Europe?
Jan 22, 2017, 6:44 am
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Is Delta about to encourage Asian travel via Europe?
Delta starting as early as Monday (23JAN17) plans to expand travel options to South East Asia, where the Skyteam member filed codeshare flight numbers operated by KLM, via Amsterdam. Based on the week of 22JAN17’s OAG Schedules Analyser as well as GDS timetable filing, planned codeshare routes as follow.
DELTA operated by KLM
Amsterdam – Bangkok
Amsterdam – Kuala Lumpur
Amsterdam – Singapore
DELTA operated by KLM
Amsterdam – Bangkok
Amsterdam – Kuala Lumpur
Amsterdam – Singapore
Jan 22, 2017, 6:59 am
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Interesting. We're planning a trip to China (from MCO) much later this year and I'm open to unique routings. Will have to follow this development.
Jan 22, 2017, 7:08 am
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From the East Coast, it can be pretty comparable to SE Asia going via Europe as other options (or even quicker).
BOS-HKG-SIN on CX is scheduled at 21h 25 min. (2hr layover)
BOS-NRT-SIN on AA/JL is scheduled at 23h 10 min (1hr 35 min layover)
BOS-LHR-SIN on AA/BA is scheduled at 21h 20 min (2hr 15 min layover)
BOS-HKG-SIN on CX is scheduled at 21h 25 min. (2hr layover)
BOS-NRT-SIN on AA/JL is scheduled at 23h 10 min (1hr 35 min layover)
BOS-LHR-SIN on AA/BA is scheduled at 21h 20 min (2hr 15 min layover)
Jan 22, 2017, 8:13 am
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What Sucks is they're using these routings for awards, but charging a double award. Ie US-Europe and Europe-Asia instead of US-Asia.
Jan 22, 2017, 8:17 am
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Do you mean that the routing is limited to awards? Or are revenue tickets also available? And if Rev tix are available will they be at a premium to TPAC?
Jan 22, 2017, 8:43 am
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I think flyerCO is simply saying that award tickets from U.S. to Asia via Europe are being priced like separate tickets between U.S. and AMS and AMS and Asia, resulting in much higher award costs than if going on a TPAC route.
Jan 22, 2017, 8:52 am
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I don't think flyerCO is implying any of those things, (although some of them could be true).
I think flyerCO is simply saying that award tickets from U.S. to Asia via Europe are being priced like separate tickets between U.S. and AMS and AMS and Asia, resulting in much higher award costs than if going on a TPAC route.
I think flyerCO is simply saying that award tickets from U.S. to Asia via Europe are being priced like separate tickets between U.S. and AMS and AMS and Asia, resulting in much higher award costs than if going on a TPAC route.
Jan 22, 2017, 9:05 am
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I don't think flyerCO is implying any of those things, (although some of them could be true).
I think flyerCO is simply saying that award tickets from U.S. to Asia via Europe are being priced like separate tickets between U.S. and AMS and AMS and Asia, resulting in much higher award costs than if going on a TPAC route.
I think flyerCO is simply saying that award tickets from U.S. to Asia via Europe are being priced like separate tickets between U.S. and AMS and AMS and Asia, resulting in much higher award costs than if going on a TPAC route.
Jan 22, 2017, 9:52 am
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Does anyone think they'll actually fix the double award thing once this whole thing becomes more of a reality?
Jan 22, 2017, 10:46 am
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EU - SE Asia awards on partners currently price as 50K (Y) and 80K (J). US - SE Asia are currently 40K (Y) and 80K (J) when going west. It seems somewhat unlikely they will price US awards via EU to SE Asia at rates that are less than or equal to EU - SE Asia awards.
Jan 22, 2017, 10:56 am
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Schedules are an issue...
Jan 22, 2017, 10:57 am
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JFK-NRT-SIN: 10069 miles. JFK-AMS-SIN: 10178 miles. via Europe 109 miles longer: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=jfk-nrt-sin,jfk-ams-sin
JFK-NRT-BKK: 9634 miles. JFK-AMS-SIN: 9371 miles. via Europe 263 miles shorter: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=jfk-nrt-bkk,jfk-ams-bkk
JFK-NRT-KUL: 10102 miles. JFK-AMS-KUL: 10006 miles. via Europe 96 miles shorter: http://www.gcmap.com/mapui?P=jfk-nrt-kul,jfk-ams-kul
Last edited by SEA-Flyer; Jan 22, 2017 at 11:16 am
Jan 22, 2017, 11:03 am
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I don't think this is aimed at West Coast customers. East coast to Thailand makes more sense via Europe than via the West Coast though. The Pacific is simply much bigger than the Atlantic.