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Originally Posted by davetravels
(Post 27733525)
I just clicked on an E-Fare from DTW/CHI as if I was gonna purchase it. The following pop-uo box opens up as a warning:
<copy & pasted> You have selected a basic economy fare. It includes: Complimentary premium entertainment Complimentary snacks, soft drinks and Starbucks® coffee Available Wi-Fi Award-winning service Basic Economy comes with these restrictions: No seat assignment is available until after check-in Refunds and any ticket changes, including same-day changes, are not permitted No paid or complimentary access or upgrades to premium seats or products, including Delta Comfort+™ or Preferred Seats, and no paid access to Priority Boarding Terms apply to all customers including but not limited to Medallion® members and SkyTeam® elites I agree to the restrictions Do you want to continue with your selection? NO mention of bin usage. |
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Originally Posted by bubbashow
(Post 27733571)
I hope Delta follows United. They are chasing NK, F9, and G4 passengers with this fare type...the restrictions should be the same. None of those allow free carry on either. Delta shouldn't.
Originally Posted by Widgets
(Post 27733618)
there are so many complications with that policy. It slows down boarding while the gate agent determines each customer's fare. Gate agents would have to take time to explain why the customer isn't allowed to carryon and everyone else is. (Gate agents already have to waste time explaining how the customer agreed to no voluntary changes or seat assignments as it is currently.) And what if the customer has an assistive device in the carryon? Lots of complications when it's not that much extra cost.
Originally Posted by ruckzac
(Post 27733636)
Meanwhile B6, WN, and SY all allow a free carry-on and personal item, and WN also offers free checked bags.
Besides, why do you care? I'm guessing you would never buy an E fare and would pretty much always board before passengers on E fares. It's not like they're taking up your overhead bin space and any efficiency that might be gained from checking bags in advance would likely be lost due to passenger confusion. |
Originally Posted by bubbashow
(Post 27733571)
I hope Delta follows United. They are chasing NK, F9, and G4 passengers with this fare type...the restrictions should be the same. None of those allow free carry on either. Delta shouldn't.
Regardless it works for the other carriers because they charge for carrying a bag anyway. UA is going to have a nightmare with some getting to bring on and others not. |
Originally Posted by SJC ORD LDR
(Post 27734100)
It would be nice to be an elite customer (or at least elite in your own mind) and be able to be the LAST one to board and there is still a place for your roller board in the bin. If I am a DM with a terrible seat in Y, why do I want to spend a second more than I need to in that terrible seat? I used to do this when I only had a small bag. Once a flight was delayed at the gate right before I was to be the last one to board and I got about 30 minutes to stand up and stretch instead of sitting in my Y seat.
Plus, when you're stuck in a terrible Y seat, that's probably because you booked late on an elite heavy route where all of the preferred and Comfort+ seats were snapped up by other elites. |
For me the cost difference between E Fare and other fares including Comfort+ is not worth the hassle I would much rather pay the extra $$$ to be able to board early on and preferably I book Comfort+ as I have seen the fares not that far off from the regular Economy Class.
I guess there are people out there that don't realize how bad E Fares can be unless they come from the no frills of Southwest Airlines. For me the reason I fly Delta is to select my seat. Heck I'll even pay $9 to get a Preferred Seat or the $30-$100 for Comfort+. Also on E Fares the mileage earnings are poor. |
Originally Posted by bubbashow
(Post 27733571)
I hope Delta follows United. They are chasing NK, F9, and G4 passengers with this fare type...the restrictions should be the same. None of those allow free carry on either. Delta shouldn't.
For me Comfort+ is a necessity even on the short flights as I have first dibs on bin space after First Class, alcoholic drinks and extra legroom. |
Originally Posted by flyerCO
(Post 27734403)
This hasn't been true I'm a bit. There's no LCC competition on TATL routes. However, they do offer E fares.
Regardless it works for the other carriers because they charge for carrying a bag anyway. UA is going to have a nightmare with some getting to bring on and others not. |
Originally Posted by danielonn
(Post 27734658)
Also on E Fares the mileage earnings are poor.
E earns the same MQMs (100% of miles flown) and RDMs (MQDs times medallion multiplier) as any other discounted economy fares. When it comes to RDMs, you get what you pay for. |
Originally Posted by danielonn
(Post 27734717)
Not true there is Wizz Air, Norwegian Air, Iceland Air and perhaps we'll see Easy Jet, Southwest and others on Trans Atlantics from the East Coast.
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Originally Posted by Widgets
(Post 27733618)
there are so many complications with that policy. It slows down boarding while the gate agent determines each customer's fare. Gate agents would have to take time to explain why the customer isn't allowed to carryon and everyone else is. (Gate agents already have to waste time explaining how the customer agreed to no voluntary changes or seat assignments as it is currently.) And what if the customer has an assistive device in the carryon? Lots of complications when it's not that much extra cost.
Good luck to the UA GAs trying to enforce this. I have to imagine that at some point, they will start to lose employees who feel it's just not worth the grief for the money. My 2 SkyPenny's worth. :) |
Originally Posted by TheMadBrewer
(Post 27733823)
If all Basic Economy is Zone 99 then it would be easy to enforce -- anybody at that point cannot have bags too big to fit under the seat. If you are a late boarder with a regular fare it is just a matter of the GA checking your boarding pass.
The loophole is that Medallions with Basic Economy would board earlier and would skip this check -- but maybe not a bad thing anyway. |
Originally Posted by bubbashow
(Post 27733571)
I hope Delta follows United. They are chasing NK, F9, and G4 passengers with this fare type...the restrictions should be the same. None of those allow free carry on either. Delta shouldn't.
A race to the bottom. Safe travels, Doc |
Originally Posted by LonghaulCommuter
(Post 27733651)
I always thought the policy of charging for all checked bags and allowing carry-ons free was a mistake. This has led to today's chaos of boarding when passengers bring on too much to save $25. The airlines failed to realize that the real premium is to have your bags with you to avoid waiting for checked luggage and to avoid losing your luggage (or having things pilfered). You charge for premiums, not the other way around. I suggest the first checked bag free for everyone and charge $50 for each piece in the overhead. With this policy, the cost will be waived for elites, giving them another valuable perk for their loyalty. Boarding will be quick and you are pretty much assured of ample space for your carry ons. The other advantage is that it will reduce injuries to FA and passengers alike.
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Originally Posted by davetravels
(Post 27733616)
Spirit and Frontier DO allow a free carry-on, if it fits under the seat. If it has to go in the bin, you hafto pay thru the nose! - - BUT - - if there's bin space open after boarding is finished, you can put your bag up there - no problem.
That said - - Sounds like you want to make Delta an Elitist's airline. United's Basic Economy will allow a free personal item carry-on as well. Although the size is somewhat less generous than NK and F9. |
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