Go Back  FlyerTalk Forums > Miles&Points > Airlines and Mileage Programs > Delta Air Lines | SkyMiles
Reload this Page >

DL Florida flights delayed 12/26 all day

DL Florida flights delayed 12/26 all day

Old Dec 26, 16, 10:41 am
  #1  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Aug 2001
Location: San Jose, CA USA
Posts: 1,706
DL Florida flights delayed 12/26 all day

Delayed from LgA-TPA already for 2.5 hrs, even with plane and crew here. They say
it's weather in Florida but my son in Tampa says its crystal clear skies there.

Not sure how this happens. Anybody know anything? Nothing we're being told here makes sense
FullFare is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 10:47 am
  #2  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Hilton Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: San Antonio
Programs: DL DM, Former AA EXP now AY Plat, NW Plat, Former CO Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 18,631
Tampa tower went down. Jacksonville ARTCC implemented flow control. All flights not just DL are delayed on average two hours. Sitting in ATL B SC. Had just finished boarding the flight to MIA when went down. 1245 departure right now per ATC.
flyerCO is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 11:03 am
  #3  
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Programs: none
Posts: 1,541
Why would the tower at TPA affect other Florida flights? Is it an air traffic problem with Florida?
Allan38103 is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 11:28 am
  #4  
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Hilton Contributor Badge
 
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: San Antonio
Programs: DL DM, Former AA EXP now AY Plat, NW Plat, Former CO Gold, Hilton Diamond
Posts: 18,631
Originally Posted by Allan38103 View Post
Why would the tower at TPA affect other Florida flights? Is it an air traffic problem with Florida?
Flights enroute are having to hold, congesting airspace.
flyerCO is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 12:39 pm
  #5  
 
Join Date: Jul 2016
Posts: 36
I'm in the B SkyClub in ATL right now. Sounds like quite the mess according to the agents upon check-in.
c172rspilot is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 2:52 pm
  #6  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 436
Originally Posted by FullFare View Post
Delayed from LgA-TPA already for 2.5 hrs, even with plane and crew here. They say
it's weather in Florida
but my son in Tampa says its crystal clear skies there.

Not sure how this happens. Anybody know anything? Nothing we're being told here makes sense
More than just a little annoying that they're playing the weather card.
udontknowme is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 2:58 pm
  #7  
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: NYC
Programs: DL PM; AA 1MM
Posts: 3,339
Originally Posted by udontknowme View Post
More than just a little annoying that they're playing the weather card.
In my experience, ATC delays fall into the same category as weather (in fact many 'weather' delays are in fact ATC-imposed delays as a result of the weather). I understand your gripe in this case, as there is no actual weather occurring (as I sit in sunny Southwest Florida, I can attest to this!) but I think agents are using the ATC/weather shorthand and doubt they are intentionally being misleading. I think they lump all ATC into 'weather' because it usually is.
ty97 is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 3:02 pm
  #8  
 
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 2,879
Originally Posted by udontknowme View Post
More than just a little annoying that they're playing the weather card.
Weather and ATC go hand in hand, which is why most weather or ATC delays are auto-coded as "Weather/ATC."
Widgets is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 3:07 pm
  #9  
 
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: NYC
Programs: DL
Posts: 226
Originally Posted by ty97 View Post
In my experience, ATC delays fall into the same category as weather (in fact many 'weather' delays are in fact ATC-imposed delays as a result of the weather). I understand your gripe in this case, as there is no actual weather occurring (as I sit in sunny Southwest Florida, I can attest to this!) but I think agents are using the ATC/weather shorthand and doubt they are intentionally being misleading. I think they lump all ATC into 'weather' because it usually is.
That is crazy. Beautiful day here in FLL area.
live5 is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 4:00 pm
  #10  
 
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 436
Originally Posted by Widgets View Post
Weather and ATC go hand in hand, which is why most weather or ATC delays are auto-coded as "Weather/ATC."
While that may be, ATC may be the consequence of weather, but weather is NOT the consequence of ATC. Lumping together cause and effect, or non-cause and thus no effect does not transmit correct information.
udontknowme is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 4:11 pm
  #11  
was WWads
 
Join Date: May 2015
Location: DCA
Programs: DL PM, UA Silver, Hilton Diamond, Marriott Gold
Posts: 5,802
Originally Posted by udontknowme View Post
While that may be, ATC may be the consequence of weather, but weather is NOT the consequence of ATC. Lumping together cause and effect, or non-cause and thus no effect does not transmit correct information.
Weather and ATC delays have the same effect as far as compensation goes ($0), but I'd definitely like to know which one it truly is, since weather can take longer to recover from, and is harder to predict. An ATC issue (unless it's similar to the fire at Chicago Center a few years ago) shouldn't take more than a few hours to correct. If it's ATC, I'm probably chilling in the SkyClub for a few hours. Weather is more likely to mean a hotel stay and/or rebook for the next day.
KDCAflyer is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 4:44 pm
  #12  
pvn
Suspended
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: MEM
Programs: Starbucks Green Card
Posts: 5,431
......

Last edited by pvn; Dec 26, 16 at 4:45 pm Reason: .
pvn is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 6:49 pm
  #13  
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: ATL
Programs: DL DM, Hyatt LT DM, Wyndham DM, Hertz PC, HH Gold, SPG Gold, Marriott Gold
Posts: 2,038
I've always assumed they say 'weather' as much as possible so hopefully most don't ask for some compensation. Even knowing it is not weather as most wouldn't know they COULD be owed something and others would just go "Oh OK" and continue to wait and be angry.
dinanm3atl is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 6:57 pm
  #14  
pvn
Suspended
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: MEM
Programs: Starbucks Green Card
Posts: 5,431
you're not owed anything for ATC either
pvn is offline  
Old Dec 26, 16, 6:59 pm
  #15  
pvn
Suspended
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: MEM
Programs: Starbucks Green Card
Posts: 5,431
The weird part is that people always say maintenance issues are "under delta's control" but that's really a dumb way of looking at things. When the windshield wipers break, it's not because delta chose to put broken ones on that plane or specifically ordered parts with a faulty design. Even if they replaced all the parts on the plane after every flight there would still be failures. They're not "under delta's control" any more than the weather is.
pvn is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Search Engine: