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SkyBonus cert class changes
Note: For tickets issued on/after 7/15/16 for travel on/after 1/1/17 the required booking classes are P and T.
This is what all the J-class SB certs now say. Anyone have any info what are these P and T classes? Is it just replacement of current G & Z classes, or is it now some lower class with even lesser availability for SB bookings? |
Quite the opposite.
P is two fare classes above G in domestic first. Z is the lowest fare class in int'l biz, with the the hierarchy being JCDIZ. T is third from the bottom on coach, not counting basic economy (YBMSHQKLUTXVE). So I'm curious to see what the required booking class is for int'l biz, and what the previous booking class was for coach. But at least for domestic first, being able to use SB certs on P fares instead of just G is actually a very big positive. Where did this information come from? |
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Some of the other Enhanced Availability certs say P & Q as the fare classes. It seems that T/Q were always the necessary classes for coach tickets (non-enhanced vs. enhanced), so no change there. P is definitely better than both A and G which was the old requirement for enhanced/non-enhanced inventory for domestic FC. What's curious though, is what that maps to for business-coded flights. The old requirements were Z or I. If they now allow booking into D inventory (third from the bottom, just like P), that's a win there, too. Also noticed that they are now hawking C+ upgrade certs on SB, too. |
Originally Posted by gooselee
(Post 26826091)
Quite the opposite.
P is two fare classes above G in domestic first. Z is the lowest fare class in int'l biz, with the the hierarchy being JCDIZ. T is third from the bottom on coach, not counting basic economy (YBMSHQKLUTXVE). So I'm curious to see what the required booking class is for int'l biz, and what the previous booking class was for coach. But at least for domestic first, being able to use SB certs on P fares instead of just G is actually a very big positive. Where did this information come from? What I quoted here is for int'l (trans-Atlantic, trans-Pacific, Africa, S. America, etc.) bus. class certs. All of them. I was also seeing T as a coach class. But, these are J-class certs, and also the fare mapping I did just matched up to domestic 'first' and discount Y, but nothing to int'l business. That is why I was wondering, is T being changed to be int'l business deep discount/award/SB class or what. :confused: Currently it reads (for trans-Atlantic, to use that example): This certificate entitles you to a complimentary (except 3rd party taxes and fees) roundtrip/one-way Delta One™ ticket between the US/Canada and Europe. If G or Z class is not offered or available, then Q class can be used. If Z is not offered or available on KL/KL* , then H can be used. If I class is not offered or available on AZ/AZ*, then H can be used. If Z is not offered or available on AF/AF* , then H class can be used. If booking AF/AF* all travel within France or between CDG-AMS/MRS/NTE or FCO-TLS should be booked in J class. Note: For tickets issued on/after 7/15/16 for travel on/after 1/1/17 the required booking classes are P and T. It is unclear is it P and T classes ONLY in replacement of all the current ones (G, Z, Q, and I, H, and J for AF certain routes), or only for some. Very unclearly worded by DL. That is why I posted here, to try to get some clarity on this, on is this making things better or worse for SB cert redemption as of July 15th for traveling in 2017 and onwards, is T class being changed to be int'l business SB/award class, or what. :confused: |
Originally Posted by RealHJ
(Post 26826840)
Log into your skybonus.delta.com account and click on any int'l business class cert (e.g. trans-Atlantic 'delta one').
What I quoted here is for int'l (trans-Atlantic, trans-Pacific, Africa, S. America, etc.) bus. class certs. All of them. I was also seeing T as a coach class. But, these are J-class certs, and also the fare mapping I did just matched up to domestic 'first' and discount Y, but nothing to int'l business. That is why I was wondering, is T being changed to be int'l business deep discount/award/SB class or what. :confused: Currently it reads (for trans-Atlantic, to use that example): But on top of that it says: Other region int'l business SB certs have different language, but same classes currently, and all the same note in red at top of new classes being (only?) P and T. It is unclear is it P and T classes ONLY in replacement of all the current ones (G, Z, Q, and I, H, and J for AF certain routes), or only for some. Very unclearly worded by DL. That is why I posted here, to try to get some clarity on this, on is this making things better or worse for SB cert redemption as of July 15th for traveling in 2017 and onwards, is T class being changed to be int'l business SB/award class, or what. :confused: Completely agree that it seems weird they are using domestic FC and coach booking codes to specify intl business class awards. For now, I'm chalking it up to misguided web coding by DL IT, and optimistically thinking that they are expanding SB certs to allow use on P/D fares in first/business. (Granted, this is wishful thinking and based on no actual evidence beyond what you've described and I've see on the SB website.) If they were in fact changing their revenue fare buckets, I feel like this would be a much bigger deal that someone would have noticed by now, especially since industry notices would need to go out to travel agents, GDS providers, etc. |
Originally Posted by gooselee
(Post 26830196)
If they were in fact changing their revenue fare buckets, I feel like this would be a much bigger deal that someone would have noticed by now, especially since industry notices would need to go out to travel agents, GDS providers, etc.
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Originally Posted by mnbp
(Post 26830228)
So that explains the P fare for domestic FC, if A and G are going away. I'm guessing that A and S will be repurposed for C+ to align with AF's PE fare classes (IIRC AF uses W/A/S for PE). Still doesn't explain the T fare, or what P aligns to for business/D1 fares. Perhaps there is an even bigger realignment of all fares coming up. |
So bottom line is this better for those redeeming international biz certs from SB? Worse or moot point.
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Originally Posted by SkyTeam777
(Post 26830956)
So bottom line is this better for those redeeming international biz certs from SB? Worse or moot point.
Also, this note appears on the domestic D1 TCON certs, too. And the enhanced availability certs specify P or Q class. |
Does anyone know whether this applies to only newly issued certs?
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Originally Posted by Darth Chocolate
(Post 26836104)
Does anyone know whether this applies to only newly issued certs?
The change seems to be a function of the actual inventory that will be available starting 7/15/16 for flights on or after 1/1/17. |
I think the real stupid item is that they are selling C+ 'upgrade' certs. Seriously?
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Originally Posted by gooselee
(Post 26836518)
The language would imply that the deciding factors are when you book the ticket and your date of travel, regardless of when the SB cert was claimed/issued.
The change seems to be a function of the actual inventory that will be available starting 7/15/16 for flights on or after 1/1/17. Of course, I just booked a holiday in Hawaii, on an amazingly ridiculous routing. I'll now try to rebook based on this new rule. |
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