Keith2004

Do we know the estimated entry date for the CSeries?

Edit*
In original article Delta said Spring 2018
http://news.delta.com/delta-orders-s...rdier-c-series
Hope that holds true!

KDCAflyer

I would guess that Bombardier delayed production until the ruling, so Summer 2018 is probably more realistic. Give time for trials, and I'd expect to see them in Fall or Winter 2018.

24left

+1

I just flew BOTH the LX CS300 and the CS100. Outstanding flights. And double bonus (for us) bus gates in both GVA and ZRH, so we got some nice "plane porn" photos.

We also had a chat with the guys up front. The said they love flying it and are thrilled that LX bought them. Beautiful cabin, very spacious (and real lavs). Obviously that was the LX cabins and I don't know how DL will configure.

spin88

I think it goes well beyond this. Boeing has simply been unwilling to invest in its product line in the way that is necessary after the 777 was developed, and ties to do everything on the cheap (see 787) and has simply lost its edge. This was a stupid, and very short sighted play by Boeing, that has blown up in their small minded McDonaldDouglas faces.

The post does a good job cataloging the rather large list of damage the short sided thinking in Chicago did: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.b996aec193d2

I actually think this is a turning point, and with the better neo line, Airbus is now the leading A/C maker by far.

SJC ORD LDR

I agree. IIRC, Boeing is run by ex-MDD folks as well, so they have taken their inability to innovate from MDD to Boeing. I actually prefer flying on an A320 over a 737 because I find that if it is configured correctly, an A320 is actually more comfortable than a 737. Why DL stuck with those horrible seats for years is beyond me. I flew on an A380 this past fall and found it very comfortable and enjoyable. It's so quiet inside. I understand why they haven't sold (too much plane for most airlines), but that doesn't mean it sucks from a passenger prospective.

I feel that the 737max was a desperate me too product to the A320neo. Also, re-doing the A320 makes more sense since it's a couple decades newer. The 737 needs to be replaced with something that isn't out of the 50's and 60's.

Mountain Explorer

No doubt about it, this whole thing has been bad for Boeing. Pissing off two big customers: Delta and Canada. Giving Airbus control of the C-Series, a plane that Boeing has nothing to compete with.

All the Boeing-bashing aside tho, Boeing still has the 787 on its side. 787 operates many routes that Airbus has no answer for. There remains a very large waiting list for 787s.

spin88

Me thinks you have never flown on an A350.... it is (1) wider by 11cm, so the Y seats are much better, (2) quieter, (3) slightly higher ceilings, (4) has better bathroom, and (5) windows that go totally dark. It has similar performance characteristics (the A350-9 is slightly larger than the B787-9, but they have similar ranges, and mission capacities). In J its not an issue, but I will not fly the 787 in Y (seats are narrower than on a 737 in 9x) while the A350 is still livable in Y.

pvn

His comment wasn't about the comfort level of the 787

RaflW

Canadian press report indicates DL will now wait till the US final assembly operation is running. A different article I saw said that probably means 2019. I don't know how long it takes to set up an all new FAL, but the BBD-Airbus deal is still just being worked out now.

readywhenyouare

KDCAflyer

NYC was announced IIRC. Seattle will probably come next once the additional gate space is completed.

At NYC, they are likely to replace the CRJ9s on longer routes, like LGA/JFK-DFW. I could also see them regularly cycle through CVG to allow for the restoration of service to PDX, SAN, etc.

readywhenyouare

FinanceGuyLAX

It was reported over the summer that the C Series would be based initially in NYC and LAX, and deployed on highly competitive routes citing LAX/NYC-DFW as examples. There have been several twists since so these plans might have changed.

3Cforme

Bombardier: Planning for Alabama jet plant 'at an advanced stage' | AL.com

One would wonder if they could even commit funding/commence site work for the Mobile line before all anti-trust approvals are in hand.

MIDWESTERNFLYER

"Parenthetically, the Delta testimony revealed that its transaction with BBD priced the CS100 as a 1,000-mile airplane. Should Delta begin using the aircraft on longer routes, additional monies will be paid to Bombardier. The CS100 has a range of more than 2,900nm."

Seeking Alpha wrote:

"The only aircraft deal that Bombardier landed with a major US customer is with Delta Air Lines, which was looking for a 100-seat aircraft with a 1,000nm range and has agreed to buy 75 CS100 aircraft with options for another 50 aircraft. This is worthy of a critical look for more than one reason.
Boeing has accused Bombardier of dumping the C Series aircraft on the US market at a price that does not cover the production costs and has asked for an 80% tariff. What Boeing does not seem to take into account is the fact that the contract between Bombardier and Delta Air Lines is tailored as the airline has been looking into acquiring an aircraft the size of an MD-88 and regional range. This means that there are some specific properties of the C Series aircraft that Delta Air Lines is not interested in but that are incorporated in the base market value of the aircraft. To offset that, Bombardier has given additional discounts next to standard discounts and customary discounts for early adopters."

CVG-SAN/PHX are out of range for Delta's Cseries since they handicapped the range on them....