DL applies for Haneda slots: ATL/LAX/MSP
Apr 22, 2016, 9:33 am
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I actually think the 767 J seat is better than the 777 J seat. Neither of them are that great though (albeit they were a great improvement years ago when rolled out). DL really doesn't have many current options, which to your point should improve when the Airbuses arrive.
Apr 22, 2016, 10:05 am
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Not gonna happen. MSP-HND is about 250sm farther than the longest 767 route DL has operated. The set of low-probability hypotheticals about which you can complain is infinite.
Apr 22, 2016, 10:07 am
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Apr 22, 2016, 10:13 am
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Apr 22, 2016, 10:24 am
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It wouldn't shock me if DL is engaging in some gamesmanship here, thinking that ATL is their strongest case (since they knew that AA would also apply for LAX) and thus likely to be awarded anyway. I wonder if it will come back to bite them if the DOT has had enough of DL's shenanigans with HND in general and awards LAX-HND to AA, then sees MSP as a bogus request with very little local traffic. And if DL didn't get their second choice, why give them their third?
Although maybe MSP does make sense since ATL doesn't have a ton of local traffic anyway and, as jrkmsp pointed out, MSP serves more connecting cities logically. In fact, with only MSP and DFW requested in the interior of the country and MSP being better-located geographically for connections, maybe MSP does stand a chance after all.
I'm surprised that neither DL nor AA requested JFK and that nobody requested ORD.
Although maybe MSP does make sense since ATL doesn't have a ton of local traffic anyway and, as jrkmsp pointed out, MSP serves more connecting cities logically. In fact, with only MSP and DFW requested in the interior of the country and MSP being better-located geographically for connections, maybe MSP does stand a chance after all.
I'm surprised that neither DL nor AA requested JFK and that nobody requested ORD.
2. Request denied.
3. DL promptly drops MSP-NRT. ("Not Sustainable", DL states as much in their application.)
4. Public complains. Breathless editorials in the local fishwrap.
5. "We wanted to keep service to TYO but the gub'mint wouldn't let us!"
6. Everyone forgets and moves on.
Apr 22, 2016, 10:28 am
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Apr 22, 2016, 10:43 am
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Apr 22, 2016, 11:03 am
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I think the DOT considers the alliance, not just the airline, when awarding the HND slots. UA and AA have alliance partners in Japan, while HA and DL don't. I can see DL getting 2, or perhaps all 3, of it's requested routes. I think DL is a slam dunk for LAX-HND and likewise HA for HNL-HND.
The 767 is the best long haul plane for those flying in Y. 2-3-2 is somewhat better than 2-4-2 and much better than 3-3-3 and 3-4-3.
The 767 is the best long haul plane for those flying in Y. 2-3-2 is somewhat better than 2-4-2 and much better than 3-3-3 and 3-4-3.
Apr 22, 2016, 12:24 pm
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Apr 22, 2016, 12:28 pm
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I think the DOT considers the alliance, not just the airline, when awarding the HND slots. UA and AA have alliance partners in Japan, while HA and DL don't. I can see DL getting 2, or perhaps all 3, of it's requested routes. I think DL is a slam dunk for LAX-HND and likewise HA for HNL-HND.
The 767 is the best long haul plane for those flying in Y. 2-3-2 is somewhat better than 2-4-2 and much better than 3-3-3 and 3-4-3.
The 767 is the best long haul plane for those flying in Y. 2-3-2 is somewhat better than 2-4-2 and much better than 3-3-3 and 3-4-3.
I guess at LHR VS flights are under the JV, so DL doesn't much care whose aircraft are better. BA/AA have some battered old planes, but I don't know how often they appear on the LHR routes.
Apr 22, 2016, 1:11 pm
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In general, I think you are exaggerating both how bad the 767 is in D1 and exaggerating the standard of the product offered by the competition.
Apr 22, 2016, 2:02 pm
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Now, without a doubt DL 767s used to be the worst (of DL and pretty much any airline) int'l J seating when they had the old, beat up cheap recliners and DL was way behind everyone else int'l J seating wise. With the current seating it's far better than DL 777s (those are by far the worst), and really no worse (IMO) than A330s or 747s; in a way 767s are better than A330 or 747 as the screen doesn't need to be popped up, so you can enjoy the IFE programming also during the times when you couldn't on A330 and 747 as the screen has to be stowed away.
So, it's a matter of opinion. Personally I slightly prefer DL 767s J vs A330 or 747 seating.
Apr 22, 2016, 4:29 pm
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