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Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
(Post 26442268)
I agree that there is a lot that AS could do with those cities. I could see AS petitioning to have the DAL-DCA slots exchanged for a beyond perimeter slot for SAN-DCA as part of a deal should they choose to divest the DAL gates. I'm sure SAN would love to have a nonstop to DCA. AS also operates SAN-MCO nonstop.
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Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
(Post 26442198)
Just my speculation but perhaps AS could go after the lower end of the business travel on LAX/SFO-NYC. As of now I don't believe AA, UA, DL, or B6 allow free elite upgrades on those flights. AS could keep the F cabin the same as any other 737, perhaps improve the food a bit, price F below the other four airlines, and allow elite upgrades. I think they could have a place for people who just want a bigger seat, meal, and a few drinks.
DL and B6 are the "lower end" of the JFK-LAX/SFO transcon markets, as they attract the lowest fares. VX gets average fares that are slightly higher, but nowhere near UA's or AA's average fares. |
Originally Posted by SJC ORD LDR
(Post 26442214)
Or they can start SAN/SJC-NYC. Those markets don't have service and both cities have a loyal AS following. The current VX product on LAX/SFO-NYC is lacking compared to AA/B6/DL. I don't see AS upgrading the product to a lie flat which seems to be the current standard.
2) The market has been pretty clear that nobody wants to fly into SJC. It may not make intuitive sense, but it is clearly a second-tier airport in the region. |
Originally Posted by FWAAA
(Post 26443389)
AA still permits "free" elite upgrades to its top-tier EXPs on the transcons, same as all other domestic routes.
DL and B6 are the "lower end" of the JFK-LAX/SFO transcon markets, as they attract the lowest fares. VX gets average fares that are slightly higher, but nowhere near UA's or AA's average fares.
Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 26444394)
1) SAN-NYC is very well-served, so why would AS want to join the fray there when it is not the overall market LAX/SFO-NYC are, especially at the high end?
2) The market has been pretty clear that nobody wants to fly into SJC. It may not make intuitive sense, but it is clearly a second-tier airport in the region. At SJC, AA is adding a seasonal CLT flight and DL is adding a daytime flight to ATL. |
Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 26444394)
1) SAN-NYC is very well-served, so why would AS want to join the fray there when it is not the overall market LAX/SFO-NYC are, especially at the high end?
2) The market has been pretty clear that nobody wants to fly into SJC. It may not make intuitive sense, but it is clearly a second-tier airport in the region. |
Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
(Post 26437365)
Alaska is one of the best airlines in the world and I have no doubt they will do very well with the acquisition of VX.
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Originally Posted by Fanjet
(Post 26449357)
Not true. The reason why carriers are hesitant about the SJC market is because WN controls over 50% of it. However, that does not stop B6 from flying SJC-JFK.
Carriers are hesitant about SJC because SJC is not SFO and people want to go to San Francisco, and they don't want to go to San Jose.
Originally Posted by LondonElite
(Post 26449417)
Let's hope the best airlines in the world don't hear about that one!
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Originally Posted by FWAAA
(Post 26443389)
AA still permits "free" elite upgrades to its top-tier EXPs on the transcons, same as all other domestic routes.
DL and B6 are the "lower end" of the JFK-LAX/SFO transcon markets, as they attract the lowest fares. VX gets average fares that are slightly higher, but nowhere near UA's or AA's average fares. However, I do rate AA's 3 class F (just better with no chance of a seatmate) as a higher end experience than UA, DL, VX's or B6's. |
Originally Posted by pbarnette
(Post 26451400)
WN serves about as many passengers at LAX as there are total passengers at SJC. That doesn't stop other carriers from serving LAX.
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