Aug 9, 2016, 11:00 pm
Last edit by: LoganFlyer
Delta's Operational move from T5 to T2/3 at LAX:
Delta has moved to: T2 and T3 with eventual connector to TBIT (note: there is currently only airside bus service to stay securely between T2 & T3, the walking connector has not been built yet.)
Where to check bags: As of January 13, 2020, non-Sky Priority customers must check their bag(s) at the terminal their flight departs from, unless their flight departs from TBIT, in which case, they must check their bag at Terminal 2. Sky priority customers can check their bag at either terminal. See this link for more information.
Date(s) of move: May 12, 2017 - May 17, 2017
Here is a helpful chart from Delta which covers all Domestic / Int'l. transfer combos (AND TOTAL TRANSFER TIMES) between T2, T3 & TBIT.
New Bus Routes will help with connections:
- Circular Airfield Bus between TBIT, T2 and T3
- Airfield Bus between T2 and T3
Bus Map
Will there be a SkyClub: Yes, there is one in each terminal. Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse will remain.
- The SkyClub in T2 opened on May 20th (Former AC Maple Leaf Lounge)
pix in post 1058
- The SkyClub in T3 opened on May 24th (Former VX Loft)
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...d-updates.html
Where Will The Delta One Check In Lounge Be Located:
In T2, there is a small Delta One seating area with refreshments. An agent will escort you from the check in/lounge area through a back pathway up stairs to TSA precheck. Its a shorter walk to check-in at SkyPriority and easier if you have a carry on and don't want to drag it up a flight of stairs. 11/3/17)
Airlines joining DL in T2/3 for landside and departures:
- AeroMexico (T2)
- Virgin Atlantic (T2)
- WestJet (T3)
Landside T2 only, departures from TBIT:
- Virgin Australia
- Volaris
Landside T3 only, departures from TBIT:
- Avianca/Taca
- Copa (effective April 7)
- InterJet
Will there be secure links between T2-T3 and TBIT: Yes, the final plan is to let pax walk between all airside.
External Links:
Press Release: http://news.delta.com/delta-relocate...rough-19b-plan
Rough link showing T2/3 connector:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg
Proposed schedule from LAWA presentation:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg
Delta fact sheet:
http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...ease-Delta.pdf
Delta's LAX destination page featuring 'Delta Sky Way at LAX':
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-terminal.html
Delta has moved to: T2 and T3 with eventual connector to TBIT (note: there is currently only airside bus service to stay securely between T2 & T3, the walking connector has not been built yet.)
Where to check bags: As of January 13, 2020, non-Sky Priority customers must check their bag(s) at the terminal their flight departs from, unless their flight departs from TBIT, in which case, they must check their bag at Terminal 2. Sky priority customers can check their bag at either terminal. See this link for more information.
Date(s) of move: May 12, 2017 - May 17, 2017
Here is a helpful chart from Delta which covers all Domestic / Int'l. transfer combos (AND TOTAL TRANSFER TIMES) between T2, T3 & TBIT.
New Bus Routes will help with connections:
- Circular Airfield Bus between TBIT, T2 and T3
- Airfield Bus between T2 and T3
Bus Map
Will there be a SkyClub: Yes, there is one in each terminal. Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse will remain.
- The SkyClub in T2 opened on May 20th (Former AC Maple Leaf Lounge)
pix in post 1058
- The SkyClub in T3 opened on May 24th (Former VX Loft)
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...d-updates.html
Where Will The Delta One Check In Lounge Be Located:
Delta will temporarily offer dedicated check-in space in Terminal 2 (first door closest to T1) while a long-term Delta One experience is finalized.
Airlines joining DL in T2/3 for landside and departures:
- AeroMexico (T2)
- Virgin Atlantic (T2)
- WestJet (T3)
Landside T2 only, departures from TBIT:
- Virgin Australia
- Volaris
Landside T3 only, departures from TBIT:
- Avianca/Taca
- Copa (effective April 7)
- InterJet
Will there be secure links between T2-T3 and TBIT: Yes, the final plan is to let pax walk between all airside.
External Links:
Press Release: http://news.delta.com/delta-relocate...rough-19b-plan
Rough link showing T2/3 connector:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg
Proposed schedule from LAWA presentation:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg
Delta fact sheet:
http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...ease-Delta.pdf
Delta's LAX destination page featuring 'Delta Sky Way at LAX':
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-terminal.html
LAX 2017 Terminal Move: The Definitive Thread
Apr 20, 2016, 5:58 pm
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One thing that was also mentioned by the Delta rep was that both LA O&D and connecting Delta One passengers are not happy with the split LAX-LHR operation. So moving to T2 will allow DL to co-locate with Virgin Atlantic. Air side bus from T3 to T2 is a lot better than doing the land side walk from T5 to T2.
I also under the impression (though the Delta rep never confirmed it) that during the transition period, DL passengers (not just those flying to LHR) will be able to use the T2 Virgin Lounge, which will appease some people.
Apr 20, 2016, 6:22 pm
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This is the main motivation of course. T2/3 gives Delta much more room for growth.
One thing that was also mentioned by the Delta rep was that both LA O&D and connecting Delta One passengers are not happy with the split LAX-LHR operation. So moving to T2 will allow DL to co-locate with Virgin Atlantic. Air side bus from T3 to T2 is a lot better than doing the land side walk from T5 to T2.
I also under the impression (though the Delta rep never confirmed it) that during the transition period, DL passengers (not just those flying to LHR) will be able to use the T2 Virgin Lounge, which will appease some people.
One thing that was also mentioned by the Delta rep was that both LA O&D and connecting Delta One passengers are not happy with the split LAX-LHR operation. So moving to T2 will allow DL to co-locate with Virgin Atlantic. Air side bus from T3 to T2 is a lot better than doing the land side walk from T5 to T2.
I also under the impression (though the Delta rep never confirmed it) that during the transition period, DL passengers (not just those flying to LHR) will be able to use the T2 Virgin Lounge, which will appease some people.
Apr 20, 2016, 6:37 pm
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Apr 20, 2016, 7:29 pm
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Apr 20, 2016, 9:02 pm
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Delta rep made a presentation at my work today. He said DL is looking to complete the move to T2 and T3 by Summer 2017, pending LA city council approval on renovation plan and compensation to other airlines, which Delta expects the city council will approve in May or June.
After that, there will be a phased-move with airlines moving one at a time from T2 to TBIT, and T3 to T5 or T6 while Delta shifts some flight operations to T3, until all the flights are moved by Summer 2017. Renovation (probably just interim reno) of T3 will begin as soon as Delta has a lease on the terminal. A complete rebuild of T3 will have to wait until MSC is done so Delta can temporary use some TBIT North and/or TBIT MSC gates.
To facilitate transit to Virgin Atlantic and other SkyTeam partners prior to the rebuild, the plan is to have air-side bus connection between T2, T3, and TBIT until T3 rebuild is completed.
After that, there will be a phased-move with airlines moving one at a time from T2 to TBIT, and T3 to T5 or T6 while Delta shifts some flight operations to T3, until all the flights are moved by Summer 2017. Renovation (probably just interim reno) of T3 will begin as soon as Delta has a lease on the terminal. A complete rebuild of T3 will have to wait until MSC is done so Delta can temporary use some TBIT North and/or TBIT MSC gates.
To facilitate transit to Virgin Atlantic and other SkyTeam partners prior to the rebuild, the plan is to have air-side bus connection between T2, T3, and TBIT until T3 rebuild is completed.
I would be stunned if DL had a firm plan that has been released to front line employees and is not yet public.
Apr 21, 2016, 11:49 am
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Apr 21, 2016, 12:39 pm
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This person is a not front line employee. It was an executive from corporate that was sent specifically to brief us about the move and a few other things. We are a major account for Delta.
Apr 22, 2016, 10:11 am
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AA LAX map: https://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/wher...rminal_LAX.jsp
At http://aa.com/morelax you will notice a number of historically DL and AS destinations added. Based on PR from AA execs, it appears the biggest growth will be international flights (even bringing FIS back to T4), but AA (and DL) are aggressively going after even more corporate business which will push domestic route offerings.
Without neglecting the ATL/GA filming connection (AA added a n/s to ATL last year I believe) that would be useful to DL, AA has played very strongly in the entertainment business contracts in LA.
The bottom line is DL and AA are in the ring fighting this out. From the dropped interline arrangement (including the rather interesting commentary of one-sided use of the rebooking needs), the DL terminal movement plan and the ongoing LAX-JFK battles, the customer will benefit from perhaps improved premium services at LAX and also lower fare options (addressing both ends of the market).
However, I think everyone agrees that the DL terminal move will be rather disruptive for a few years until they get T3 looking like T2 on the inside (which I think would be perfectly acceptable). Further, it explains why DL wants to get this done sooner than later because delaying any terminal movement just moves out even longer the timings of when it would be done. We already addressed that the T5 refurb cost to DL was rather minimal with LAWA paying most of the bill. DL doesn't own T5, any tenant who gets moved to T5 will benefit from those improvements. I think we tend to compare JFK to LAX in terms of terminal management (and the separate building concepts), but it really is not similar.
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Apr 22, 2016, 10:48 am
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I think AA owns - or has a master lease - on the land where LAWA wants to build the new TBIT concourse. This is a great move long term for Delta at LAX but I'm sure there must be something in the works for AA to consolidate their operations as well and I don't think AA will give up their hangar space uncles it gets to maintain its gate advantage over Delta.
I just don't know. I think we all agree that UA has been shrinking, WN has added a bit (they are also doing interesting things at SNA and LGB). But between AA and DL, it is hard to tell. Admittedly, the US/AA combination makes it a bit difficult to distinguish, but you have the combined AA in four different places: T6, remote terminal, T4 and TBIT.
AA LAX map: https://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/wher...rminal_LAX.jsp
At http://aa.com/morelax you will notice a number of historically DL and AS destinations added. Based on PR from AA execs, it appears the biggest growth will be international flights (even bringing FIS back to T4), but AA (and DL) are aggressively going after even more corporate business which will push domestic route offerings.
Without neglecting the ATL/GA filming connection (AA added a n/s to ATL last year I believe) that would be useful to DL, AA has played very strongly in the entertainment business contracts in LA.
The bottom line is DL and AA are in the ring fighting this out. From the dropped interline arrangement (including the rather interesting commentary of one-sided use of the rebooking needs), the DL terminal movement plan and the ongoing LAX-JFK battles, the customer will benefit from perhaps improved premium services at LAX and also lower fare options (addressing both ends of the market).
However, I think everyone agrees that the DL terminal move will be rather disruptive for a few years until they get T3 looking like T2 on the inside (which I think would be perfectly acceptable). Further, it explains why DL wants to get this done sooner than later because delaying any terminal movement just moves out even longer the timings of when it would be done. We already addressed that the T5 refurb cost to DL was rather minimal with LAWA paying most of the bill. DL doesn't own T5, any tenant who gets moved to T5 will benefit from those improvements. I think we tend to compare JFK to LAX in terms of terminal management (and the separate building concepts), but it really is not similar.
Rasheed
AA LAX map: https://www.aa.com/i18n/aboutUs/wher...rminal_LAX.jsp
At http://aa.com/morelax you will notice a number of historically DL and AS destinations added. Based on PR from AA execs, it appears the biggest growth will be international flights (even bringing FIS back to T4), but AA (and DL) are aggressively going after even more corporate business which will push domestic route offerings.
Without neglecting the ATL/GA filming connection (AA added a n/s to ATL last year I believe) that would be useful to DL, AA has played very strongly in the entertainment business contracts in LA.
The bottom line is DL and AA are in the ring fighting this out. From the dropped interline arrangement (including the rather interesting commentary of one-sided use of the rebooking needs), the DL terminal movement plan and the ongoing LAX-JFK battles, the customer will benefit from perhaps improved premium services at LAX and also lower fare options (addressing both ends of the market).
However, I think everyone agrees that the DL terminal move will be rather disruptive for a few years until they get T3 looking like T2 on the inside (which I think would be perfectly acceptable). Further, it explains why DL wants to get this done sooner than later because delaying any terminal movement just moves out even longer the timings of when it would be done. We already addressed that the T5 refurb cost to DL was rather minimal with LAWA paying most of the bill. DL doesn't own T5, any tenant who gets moved to T5 will benefit from those improvements. I think we tend to compare JFK to LAX in terms of terminal management (and the separate building concepts), but it really is not similar.
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Apr 22, 2016, 11:26 am
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There is. Part of this plan is that AA moves their T6 and Eagle's Nest operations to T5. So AA will be in T5, T4, and TBIT, all connected behind security with no buses. AS might move with them; not sure. And presumably either AA or AS will take over the DL lounge space and build a lounge there.
Apr 22, 2016, 12:35 pm
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AS is already in T6 and has a very nice new lounge. Since T6 is connected to T5 by the airside tunnel, it's hard to see why AS would want to move to co-locate a little bit closer to AA.
Jul 17, 2016, 11:13 am
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Seven Years of Construction?
Brian Summers tweeted out Delta's construction schedule assuming approval of their plans. Looks like construction going on for seven years. This sounds messy to me but I doubt there will be many more opportunities to gain additional space at LAX.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg
and a rough layout
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg
and a rough layout
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg
Jul 19, 2016, 10:03 am
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It finally made the BOAC agenda for July 20.
The agenda - http://lawa.granicus.com/GeneratedAg...&event_id=1147 (Item #16)
Here is the PDF link to the report - http://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer....&meta_id=26575
The agenda - http://lawa.granicus.com/GeneratedAg...&event_id=1147 (Item #16)
Here is the PDF link to the report - http://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer....&meta_id=26575
Jul 19, 2016, 8:42 pm
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This paragraph is the most interesting and germane to most of the conversations upthread:
Interesting, it gives Delta more gates now, and provides for growth opportunities. It's also interesting to me that it would seem to posit moving Virgin Atlantic, probably Delta's closest partner, out of T2, where VS has a Clubhouse. Also strange that Aeroflot was allowed to stay. Not exactly Delta's closest partner. The rest all makes perfect sense.
Upon Delta relocating to Terminals 2 and 3, all holdrooms and gates will be assigned to Delta as Preferential Use Gates and be subject to utilization requirements defined in the Lease. Delta will also be required to have agreements with the following airlines, or substitute airlines approved by LAWA, that will continue to operate in Terminals 2 and 3: AeroMexico, Aeroflot, Virgin Australia, and WestJet. In addition, Delta may request and LAWA will convert up to two TBIT Common -Use Gates to Delta Preferential -Use Gates if: (i)
Delta is fully utilizing its assigned Preferential -Use Gates above levels required in the Lease; (ii) Delta presents a schedule that demonstrates enplaning passengers using assigned TBIT gates will be processed in Terminals 2 and 3; and, (iii) LAWA determines Delta's proposed use will result in each assigned TBIT gate processing international capacity, measured as available seats, equal to at least 125% of LAWA's use of its TBIT Common -Use Gates. Delta may request additional TBIT Preferential -Use Gates subject to these same terms after the Midfield Satellite Concourse opens.
Delta is fully utilizing its assigned Preferential -Use Gates above levels required in the Lease; (ii) Delta presents a schedule that demonstrates enplaning passengers using assigned TBIT gates will be processed in Terminals 2 and 3; and, (iii) LAWA determines Delta's proposed use will result in each assigned TBIT gate processing international capacity, measured as available seats, equal to at least 125% of LAWA's use of its TBIT Common -Use Gates. Delta may request additional TBIT Preferential -Use Gates subject to these same terms after the Midfield Satellite Concourse opens.
Jul 19, 2016, 10:48 pm
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It finally made the BOAC agenda for July 20.
The agenda - http://lawa.granicus.com/GeneratedAg...&event_id=1147 (Item #16)
Here is the PDF link to the report - http://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer....&meta_id=26575
The agenda - http://lawa.granicus.com/GeneratedAg...&event_id=1147 (Item #16)
Here is the PDF link to the report - http://lawa.granicus.com/MetaViewer....&meta_id=26575
