Aug 9, 2016, 11:00 pm
Last edit by: LoganFlyer
Delta's Operational move from T5 to T2/3 at LAX:
Delta has moved to: T2 and T3 with eventual connector to TBIT (note: there is currently only airside bus service to stay securely between T2 & T3, the walking connector has not been built yet.)
Where to check bags: As of January 13, 2020, non-Sky Priority customers must check their bag(s) at the terminal their flight departs from, unless their flight departs from TBIT, in which case, they must check their bag at Terminal 2. Sky priority customers can check their bag at either terminal. See this link for more information.
Date(s) of move: May 12, 2017 - May 17, 2017
Here is a helpful chart from Delta which covers all Domestic / Int'l. transfer combos (AND TOTAL TRANSFER TIMES) between T2, T3 & TBIT.
New Bus Routes will help with connections:
- Circular Airfield Bus between TBIT, T2 and T3
- Airfield Bus between T2 and T3
Bus Map
Will there be a SkyClub: Yes, there is one in each terminal. Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse will remain.
- The SkyClub in T2 opened on May 20th (Former AC Maple Leaf Lounge)
pix in post 1058
- The SkyClub in T3 opened on May 24th (Former VX Loft)
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...d-updates.html
Where Will The Delta One Check In Lounge Be Located:
In T2, there is a small Delta One seating area with refreshments. An agent will escort you from the check in/lounge area through a back pathway up stairs to TSA precheck. Its a shorter walk to check-in at SkyPriority and easier if you have a carry on and don't want to drag it up a flight of stairs. 11/3/17)
Airlines joining DL in T2/3 for landside and departures:
- AeroMexico (T2)
- Virgin Atlantic (T2)
- WestJet (T3)
Landside T2 only, departures from TBIT:
- Virgin Australia
- Volaris
Landside T3 only, departures from TBIT:
- Avianca/Taca
- Copa (effective April 7)
- InterJet
Will there be secure links between T2-T3 and TBIT: Yes, the final plan is to let pax walk between all airside.
External Links:
Press Release: http://news.delta.com/delta-relocate...rough-19b-plan
Rough link showing T2/3 connector:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg
Proposed schedule from LAWA presentation:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg
Delta fact sheet:
http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...ease-Delta.pdf
Delta's LAX destination page featuring 'Delta Sky Way at LAX':
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-terminal.html
Delta has moved to: T2 and T3 with eventual connector to TBIT (note: there is currently only airside bus service to stay securely between T2 & T3, the walking connector has not been built yet.)
Where to check bags: As of January 13, 2020, non-Sky Priority customers must check their bag(s) at the terminal their flight departs from, unless their flight departs from TBIT, in which case, they must check their bag at Terminal 2. Sky priority customers can check their bag at either terminal. See this link for more information.
Date(s) of move: May 12, 2017 - May 17, 2017
Here is a helpful chart from Delta which covers all Domestic / Int'l. transfer combos (AND TOTAL TRANSFER TIMES) between T2, T3 & TBIT.
New Bus Routes will help with connections:
- Circular Airfield Bus between TBIT, T2 and T3
- Airfield Bus between T2 and T3
Bus Map
Will there be a SkyClub: Yes, there is one in each terminal. Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse will remain.
- The SkyClub in T2 opened on May 20th (Former AC Maple Leaf Lounge)
pix in post 1058
- The SkyClub in T3 opened on May 24th (Former VX Loft)
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...d-updates.html
Where Will The Delta One Check In Lounge Be Located:
Delta will temporarily offer dedicated check-in space in Terminal 2 (first door closest to T1) while a long-term Delta One experience is finalized.
Airlines joining DL in T2/3 for landside and departures:
- AeroMexico (T2)
- Virgin Atlantic (T2)
- WestJet (T3)
Landside T2 only, departures from TBIT:
- Virgin Australia
- Volaris
Landside T3 only, departures from TBIT:
- Avianca/Taca
- Copa (effective April 7)
- InterJet
Will there be secure links between T2-T3 and TBIT: Yes, the final plan is to let pax walk between all airside.
External Links:
Press Release: http://news.delta.com/delta-relocate...rough-19b-plan
Rough link showing T2/3 connector:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg
Proposed schedule from LAWA presentation:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg
Delta fact sheet:
http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...ease-Delta.pdf
Delta's LAX destination page featuring 'Delta Sky Way at LAX':
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-terminal.html
LAX 2017 Terminal Move: The Definitive Thread
Apr 18, 2016, 3:26 pm
#76
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Brian Sumers, an aviation journalist, is out with new information on what the relocation might look like:
http://www.briansumers.com/home/2016...d-3-eventually
In short, Delta could move before the renovation starts (presumably to get access to more gates) and then renovate as it goes. It could also wind up with a big chunk of gates in exchange for financing some airlines moving around[/IMG]
http://www.briansumers.com/home/2016...d-3-eventually
In short, Delta could move before the renovation starts (presumably to get access to more gates) and then renovate as it goes. It could also wind up with a big chunk of gates in exchange for financing some airlines moving around[/IMG]
Instead, wait. Once MCT is open, they can shuffle everybody out of T3 and bulldoze it and rebuild fairly quickly. T2 could probably be renovated in place (I think, never been there).
I also doubt they are getting more than a couple gates or so at best., The gate count is fixed at LAX. The only reason the entire project (including MCT) works is that at the end they will presumably burn the Eagle's nest.
DL could theoretically move into 2/3 but already paid a pretty hefty amount to renovate their current facilities and I'm not sure they'ed appreciate B6/AS taking free advantage of that! They might eat the cost to get more gates but otherwise I'd imagine they'ed want a pretty sweetheart deal.
As a note, it seems clear that part of RA's future plans involve investing in quality gate real estate, as this is harder to fix quickly than metal.
EDIT: And to add a new point. AS would really like this to happen (as it solves their T3/T6 issue post VX). So I guess they will just have to work together.
Apr 18, 2016, 3:46 pm
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Agree the picture s correct, but why would they want to move prior to renovation? That would be a serious downgrade to start, and then have to put up with a lengthy renovation.
Instead, wait. Once MCT is open, they can shuffle everybody out of T3 and bulldoze it and rebuild fairly quickly. T2 could probably be renovated in place (I think, never been there).
I also doubt they are getting more than a couple gates or so at best., The gate count is fixed at LAX. The only reason the entire project (including MCT) works is that at the end they will presumably burn the Eagle's nest.
DL has publicly announced the intent to move if the plan is approved by LA. It has more to do with global connectivity. AF and TBIT for the most part.
As a note, it seems clear that part of RA's future plans involve investing in quality gate real estate, as this is harder to fix quickly than metal.
EDIT: And to add a new point. AS would really like this to happen (as it solves their T3/T6 issue post VX). So I guess they will just have to work together.
Instead, wait. Once MCT is open, they can shuffle everybody out of T3 and bulldoze it and rebuild fairly quickly. T2 could probably be renovated in place (I think, never been there).
I also doubt they are getting more than a couple gates or so at best., The gate count is fixed at LAX. The only reason the entire project (including MCT) works is that at the end they will presumably burn the Eagle's nest.
DL has publicly announced the intent to move if the plan is approved by LA. It has more to do with global connectivity. AF and TBIT for the most part.
As a note, it seems clear that part of RA's future plans involve investing in quality gate real estate, as this is harder to fix quickly than metal.
EDIT: And to add a new point. AS would really like this to happen (as it solves their T3/T6 issue post VX). So I guess they will just have to work together.
Moving over to T2/T3 gives them 8-10 more gates than they have now. DL is moving so they can keep growing in LA. AF has nothing to do with it as you can already connect behind TSA to TBIT from T5/6.
oh and the gate cap ends in 2020.
Apr 18, 2016, 4:08 pm
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huh? did you read the article? DL is at 16-18 gates currently with the T6 gates being shared with AS.
Moving over to T2/T3 gives them 8-10 more gates than they have now. DL is moving so they can keep growing in LA. AF has nothing to do with it as you can already connect behind TSA to TBIT from T5/6.
oh and the gate cap ends in 2020.
Moving over to T2/T3 gives them 8-10 more gates than they have now. DL is moving so they can keep growing in LA. AF has nothing to do with it as you can already connect behind TSA to TBIT from T5/6.
oh and the gate cap ends in 2020.
And DL would not have all the T2/3 gates. Certainly AeroMex and Virgin Atlantic would continue to operate from T2 as part of the plan. If they presently use 4 gates, that would make the existing numbers 16-18 vs 19.
And for future expansion, it is CA. See you in Court :-)
BTW: I would like to see a DL LAX expansion. Just call me a skeptic.
Apr 18, 2016, 4:18 pm
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Well, the legal agreement which created the cap may expire. But it was created by a lawsuit which would certainly be re-filed if the cap is lifted.
And DL would not have all the T2/3 gates. Certainly AeroMex and Virgin Atlantic would continue to operate from T2 as part of the plan. If they presently use 4 gates, that would make the existing numbers 16-18 vs 19.
And for future expansion, it is CA. See you in Court :-)
BTW: I would like to see a DL LAX expansion. Just call me a skeptic.
And DL would not have all the T2/3 gates. Certainly AeroMex and Virgin Atlantic would continue to operate from T2 as part of the plan. If they presently use 4 gates, that would make the existing numbers 16-18 vs 19.
And for future expansion, it is CA. See you in Court :-)
BTW: I would like to see a DL LAX expansion. Just call me a skeptic.
Apr 18, 2016, 4:30 pm
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Well, the legal agreement which created the cap may expire. But it was created by a lawsuit which would certainly be re-filed if the cap is lifted.
And DL would not have all the T2/3 gates. Certainly AeroMex and Virgin Atlantic would continue to operate from T2 as part of the plan. If they presently use 4 gates, that would make the existing numbers 16-18 vs 19.
And for future expansion, it is CA. See you in Court :-)
BTW: I would like to see a DL LAX expansion. Just call me a skeptic.
And DL would not have all the T2/3 gates. Certainly AeroMex and Virgin Atlantic would continue to operate from T2 as part of the plan. If they presently use 4 gates, that would make the existing numbers 16-18 vs 19.
And for future expansion, it is CA. See you in Court :-)
BTW: I would like to see a DL LAX expansion. Just call me a skeptic.
As for secure access to TBIT, there's no reason they can't setup a shuttle to go between terminals like T5/TBIT used.
Apr 18, 2016, 4:43 pm
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Well, the legal agreement which created the cap may expire. But it was created by a lawsuit which would certainly be re-filed if the cap is lifted.
And DL would not have all the T2/3 gates. Certainly AeroMex and Virgin Atlantic would continue to operate from T2 as part of the plan. If they presently use 4 gates, that would make the existing numbers 16-18 vs 19.
And for future expansion, it is CA. See you in Court :-)
BTW: I would like to see a DL LAX expansion. Just call me a skeptic.
And DL would not have all the T2/3 gates. Certainly AeroMex and Virgin Atlantic would continue to operate from T2 as part of the plan. If they presently use 4 gates, that would make the existing numbers 16-18 vs 19.
And for future expansion, it is CA. See you in Court :-)
BTW: I would like to see a DL LAX expansion. Just call me a skeptic.
AM will need a little more space but will still have times when they don't need a gate at all and DL will be able to operate from those gates then.
but 27-3 or 4 gates is still a lot more than DL has right now. They should be able to fit in 50 or so flights in pretty easy.
Be a skeptic if you want, but DL has been the fastest growing airline at LAX for 3 or 4 years now.
Apr 18, 2016, 5:19 pm
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I don't think the airport can handle any more auto traffic without some serious reconfiguration of the pax drop off/pick up experience.
Personally I think they need to build an off site pax drop off/pick up site a few blocks away that is totally modernized with very easy access, and have tram that brings people there. Curbside should be reserved taxis and shuttles.
Personally I think they need to build an off site pax drop off/pick up site a few blocks away that is totally modernized with very easy access, and have tram that brings people there. Curbside should be reserved taxis and shuttles.
Apr 18, 2016, 8:36 pm
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DL could theoretically move into 2/3 but already paid a pretty hefty amount to renovate their current facilities and I'm not sure they'ed appreciate B6/AS taking free advantage of that! They might eat the cost to get more gates but otherwise I'd imagine they'ed want a pretty sweetheart deal.
As to Delta's "pretty hefty amount" invested in Terminal 5, I don't think that DL's investment of less than $11.3 million in the renovations will impact the move's timeline:
FUNDING
Delta Air Lines will cover $11,255,627 for renovation
to its proprietary areas and needed equipment.
The Transportation Security Administration has
provided $25 million in reimbursements through
Los Angeles World Airports (LAWA) for the in-line
baggage system that was completed in 2011. LAWA
will invest in the remainder of the project at a cost of
$190,000,000.
Delta Air Lines will cover $11,255,627 for renovation
to its proprietary areas and needed equipment.
The Transportation Security Administration has
provided $25 million in reimbursements through
Los Angeles World Airports (LAWA) for the in-line
baggage system that was completed in 2011. LAWA
will invest in the remainder of the project at a cost of
$190,000,000.
http://www.airportimprovement.com/ar...l-5-renovation
The vast majority of the funds were invested by LAWA, which will be recovered over time in the rents paid for Terminal 5.
Apr 18, 2016, 9:27 pm
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We also don't know under what terms Delta will move. It is possible that LAWA will fund all of the renovations in 2/3 given that the new tenants in t5 will inherit a newly renovated terminal (which I assume LAWA can demand more rent for). Or am I naively comparing an airport terminal to a newly remodeled kitchen in a home? 
Apr 19, 2016, 12:15 am
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AM/VS/VA/DL partners would be allowed use of those gates. Just because DL is assigned them doesn't mean they can't be used by their partners. I think the point is to allow DL and it's partners to have seamless access to each other and allow DL to expand its LAX base.
As for secure access to TBIT, there's no reason they can't setup a shuttle to go between terminals like T5/TBIT used.
As for secure access to TBIT, there's no reason they can't setup a shuttle to go between terminals like T5/TBIT used.
Apr 19, 2016, 1:05 am
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I'm just pointing out that in the short-term till a permanent connection is built they can use a shuttle. While a consideration, I highly doubt anyone is going to book elsewhere just because they need to use a shuttle instead of walking between terminals. The fact they can get between terminals airside is what matters.
Apr 19, 2016, 1:09 am
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Brian Sumers, an aviation journalist, is out with new information on what the relocation might look like:
http://www.briansumers.com/home/2016...d-3-eventually
In short, Delta could move before the renovation starts (presumably to get access to more gates) and then renovate as it goes. It could also wind up with a big chunk of gates in exchange for financing some airlines moving around. Here's the airport mockup. Presumably some of the international carriers go to TBIT, and some Delta partners, WS, VS, VA, perhaps others, stick around at T2/T3 and help fill the 22-27 gates it would now control, up from 16 today. That opens up possibly 100 more flights a day for Delta.
http://www.briansumers.com/home/2016...d-3-eventually
In short, Delta could move before the renovation starts (presumably to get access to more gates) and then renovate as it goes. It could also wind up with a big chunk of gates in exchange for financing some airlines moving around. Here's the airport mockup. Presumably some of the international carriers go to TBIT, and some Delta partners, WS, VS, VA, perhaps others, stick around at T2/T3 and help fill the 22-27 gates it would now control, up from 16 today. That opens up possibly 100 more flights a day for Delta.
Apr 19, 2016, 8:08 am
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Most people never think of such things and quickly forget about them after. Also, there is a lot of o/d traffic at LAX.
Apr 19, 2016, 8:12 am
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Kind of a poor man's Porsche ride.
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Apr 19, 2016, 9:04 am
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I'm just pointing out that in the short-term till a permanent connection is built they can use a shuttle. While a consideration, I highly doubt anyone is going to book elsewhere just because they need to use a shuttle instead of walking between terminals. The fact they can get between terminals airside is what matters.