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LAX 2017 Terminal Move: The Definitive Thread

LAX 2017 Terminal Move: The Definitive Thread

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Delta's Operational move from T5 to T2/3 at LAX:


Delta has moved to: T2 and T3 with eventual connector to TBIT (note: there is currently only airside bus service to stay securely between T2 & T3, the walking connector has not been built yet.)

Where to check bags: As of January 13, 2020, non-Sky Priority customers must check their bag(s) at the terminal their flight departs from, unless their flight departs from TBIT, in which case, they must check their bag at Terminal 2. Sky priority customers can check their bag at either terminal. See this link for more information.

Date(s) of move: May 12, 2017 - May 17, 2017

Here is a helpful chart from Delta which covers all Domestic / Int'l. transfer combos (AND TOTAL TRANSFER TIMES) between T2, T3 & TBIT.

New Bus Routes will help with connections:
- Circular Airfield Bus between TBIT, T2 and T3
- Airfield Bus between T2 and T3

Bus Map

Will there be a SkyClub: Yes, there is one in each terminal. Virgin Atlantic Clubhouse will remain.
- The SkyClub in T2 opened on May 20th (Former AC Maple Leaf Lounge)
pix in post 1058
- The SkyClub in T3 opened on May 24th (Former VX Loft)

https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...d-updates.html

Where Will The Delta One Check In Lounge Be Located:

Delta will temporarily offer dedicated check-in space in Terminal 2 (first door closest to T1) while a long-term Delta One experience is finalized.
In T2, there is a small Delta One seating area with refreshments. An agent will escort you from the check in/lounge area through a back pathway up stairs to TSA precheck. Its a shorter walk to check-in at SkyPriority and easier if you have a carry on and don't want to drag it up a flight of stairs. 11/3/17)

Airlines joining DL in T2/3 for landside and departures:
- AeroMexico (T2)
- Virgin Atlantic (T2)
- WestJet (T3)

Landside T2 only, departures from TBIT:
- Virgin Australia
- Volaris

Landside T3 only, departures from TBIT:
- Avianca/Taca
- Copa (effective April 7)
- InterJet

Will there be secure links between T2-T3 and TBIT: Yes, the final plan is to let pax walk between all airside.

External Links:
Press Release: http://news.delta.com/delta-relocate...rough-19b-plan

Rough link showing T2/3 connector:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmrq1UEAEUiF3.jpg

Proposed schedule from LAWA presentation:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CnWmMDLVUAA1vNM.jpg

Delta fact sheet:
http://www.lawa.org/uploadedFiles/LA...ease-Delta.pdf

Delta's LAX destination page featuring 'Delta Sky Way at LAX':
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...-terminal.html
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Old May 16, 17, 11:37 am
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I've been following this a lot on the local news here in L.A., and it SEEMS to be going somewhat smoothly. LAX has extra employees out and about, pointing people to the right terminal, etc.
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Old May 16, 17, 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left View Post
Were it only that other airlines could learn something from this undertaking. Appears to be a really well-planned move and well-managed organizational details.

^^^
DL special operations are definitely some of the best in the world. But why would you want to fly other airlines

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Old May 16, 17, 4:35 pm
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Originally Posted by Mileage Lover View Post
Flying out on 5/17. Looks like T3.

The release indicates SkyClub will be opening in T3 on 5/17.

Any updates on whether that will be happening? We have an 8:30 am flight but will be there pretty early.

Also, any Priority Pass lounges operating in T3?

Thanks!
looks like T2 is the nicer terminal right now. you can check in T2, use the lounge there and head over for your flight out of T3. here will be shuttle service inside the secure area. if you are checking in person, I'm sure there will be someone to ask about T3 lounge. then decide to either walk outside or take the bus.

I too have a flight out of T3 at 8.45, atleast that is what it says. But I have to check in some suitcases. so I plan to do it in T2 at the Delta One Counter and then ask about the lounge in T3. I may go into T2 for a walk, everyone is posting pics and looks nice in there. then take the bus.
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Old May 16, 17, 5:59 pm
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Originally Posted by fnaime23 View Post
looks like T2 is the nicer terminal right now. you can check in T2, use the lounge there and head over for your flight out of T3. here will be shuttle service inside the secure area. if you are checking in person, I'm sure there will be someone to ask about T3 lounge. then decide to either walk outside or take the bus.

I too have a flight out of T3 at 8.45, atleast that is what it says. But I have to check in some suitcases. so I plan to do it in T2 at the Delta One Counter and then ask about the lounge in T3. I may go into T2 for a walk, everyone is posting pics and looks nice in there. then take the bus.
T3 when it had VX and B6 was absolute garbage. It needs a complete revamp.
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Old May 16, 17, 6:55 pm
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Originally Posted by fnaime23 View Post
looks like T2 is the nicer terminal right now. you can check in T2, use the lounge there and head over for your flight out of T3. here will be shuttle service inside the secure area. if you are checking in person, I'm sure there will be someone to ask about T3 lounge. then decide to either walk outside or take the bus.

I too have a flight out of T3 at 8.45, atleast that is what it says. But I have to check in some suitcases. so I plan to do it in T2 at the Delta One Counter and then ask about the lounge in T3. I may go into T2 for a walk, everyone is posting pics and looks nice in there. then take the bus.
Haven't seen the T2 pictures, but would recommend it. I was in T3 back in January and it was rather crummy.
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Old May 16, 17, 7:02 pm
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Originally Posted by Intheair2night View Post
Haven't seen the T2 pictures, but would recommend it. I was in T3 back in January and it was rather crummy.

Did you scroll back a couple of pages?

See my posts 601, 602, 603 and 604 with photos (T2 etc)

And yes, I am well aware that the SkyClub will look different once changed to meet DL's needs.
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Old May 16, 17, 8:38 pm
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by bye T5

T5 was pretty quiet this AM for a Tuesday. Skyclub was pretty desolate as well. Said goodbye to the desk staff and wished them the best on the last moves. They said lots of people saying goodbye + see you soon in T2!
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Old May 16, 17, 8:45 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left View Post
Did you scroll back a couple of pages?

See my posts 601, 602, 603 and 604 with photos (T2 etc)

And yes, I am well aware that the SkyClub will look different once changed to meet DL's needs.
Thought those pictures of t2 not t3. But thanks for pointing it.
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Old May 16, 17, 8:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Intheair2night View Post
Haven't seen the T2 pictures, but would recommend it. I was in T3 back in January and it was rather crummy.

Originally Posted by 24left View Post
Did you scroll back a couple of pages?

See my posts 601, 602, 603 and 604 with photos (T2 etc)

And yes, I am well aware that the SkyClub will look different once changed to meet DL's needs.

Originally Posted by fnaime23 View Post
Thought those pictures of t2 not t3. But thanks for pointing it.

They are T2

Intheair2night wrote he hadn't seen the T2 pictures.So I replied that I had posted them upthread and indicated the post numbers where one can view the photos.
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Old May 16, 17, 10:26 pm
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I think a really impressive part of all this is that many of the DL employees helping with the move are volunteering:

“I’m a Delta person through and through. It was important for me to be here. I just wanted to be part of it. It’s been hard work and long hours, but I’m grateful to have the opportunity to help passengers.”

How cool is that?

http://news.delta.com/peach-corps-vo...-epic-lax-move
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Old May 16, 17, 11:05 pm
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Originally Posted by 24left View Post
Great photos and article. Absolutely impressive job by DL.

Were it only that other airlines could learn something from this undertaking. Appears to be a really well-planned move and well-managed organizational details.
Let's be real with the praise here. Over 20 years ago at DEN, an entire airport was moved overnight. I think other airlines could handle this LAX move too.
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Old May 16, 17, 11:44 pm
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I'm dreading having to fly out of T3. I suspect that's going to be the terminal they stuff all the regional/west coast flights in, so I fear I'll be condemned to sit out all my future rolling delays for Seattle flights in an environment that's even less comfortable than the T6 regional gates were.

I understand they need those gates right away, but if I were DL i would have figured out how to fit the operation into T2 at first and done a full gut job of T3 from day one. It has major layout issues that I believe are unfixable without essentially full demolition of the gate area; I have no clue how they are going to turn it into an acceptable facility though piecemeal renovation if the rotunda layout remains.
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Old May 16, 17, 11:49 pm
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Originally Posted by BenA View Post
I understand they need those gates right away, but if I were DL i would have figured out how to fit the operation into T2 at first and done a full gut job of T3 from day one. It has major layout issues that I believe are unfixable without essentially full demolition of the gate area; I have no clue how they are going to turn it into an acceptable facility though piecemeal renovation if the rotunda layout remains.
Easy to say "just figure out how to fit the operation in T2" but DL unfortunately has to deal with reality. It can't be done.
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Old May 17, 17, 12:04 am
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Originally Posted by kjnangre View Post
Easy to say "just figure out how to fit the operation in T2" but DL unfortunately has to deal with reality. It can't be done.
Eventually, they're going to have to take T3 offline to fix it, though. The way it's laid out, you can't make major changes while using a meaningful number of gates...

IIRC from what I'd read, the plan is to use TBIT common use gates to backfill while that happens. What's the dependency that prevents them from doing that upfront? Are they waiting for the connector to get built first, for example?
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Old May 17, 17, 3:18 am
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Originally Posted by BenA View Post
I'm dreading having to fly out of T3. I suspect that's going to be the terminal they stuff all the regional/west coast flights in, so I fear I'll be condemned to sit out all my future rolling delays for Seattle flights in an environment that's even less comfortable than the T6 regional gates were.

I understand they need those gates right away, but if I were DL i would have figured out how to fit the operation into T2 at first and done a full gut job of T3 from day one.
It has major layout issues that I believe are unfixable without essentially full demolition of the gate area; I have no clue how they are going to turn it into an acceptable facility though piecemeal renovation if the rotunda layout remains.
DL would have loved to do that but it meant
1) reducing the schedule
2) waiting till 2020 at the earliest for the additional TBIT gates to move over/displace other airlines into.

Just T2 would be a reduction of 4-5 gates IIRC. That would put the flights per gate at an impossible number. It was already the highest in the system at 10 to 11.
Originally Posted by BenA View Post
Eventually, they're going to have to take T3 offline to fix it, though. The way it's laid out, you can't make major changes while using a meaningful number of gates...

IIRC from what I'd read, the plan is to use TBIT common use gates to backfill while that happens. What's the dependency that prevents them from doing that upfront? Are they waiting for the connector to get built first, for example?
actually per the lease with LAWA, DL will only be able to close 2 or 3 gates at a time for the refurbishment of T3. Thats the big reason why the project is going to take nearly 5 years till its finished. (and will probably end up being north of 2B when its all said and done.)
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