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Originally Posted by NoStressHere
(Post 25826491)
I do not know for sure, but personally I would have thought that was a larger aircraft. Easy mistake.
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Originally Posted by readywhenyouare
(Post 25827020)
If you are asking for bigger equipment then why are you suggesting an A319? Do you not realize the MD-88 is larger?
As to why the OP or myself might make that mistake - 3 x3 seating maybe vs 2 x3 seating. Unless you tend to "count" seats, one could make a poor assumption. Yes, yes, Yes, - I now realize the other is longer and therefore more seats. |
Originally Posted by tvtd
(Post 25825652)
I fly in and out of Dulles (IAD) all the time, 85%-95% the IAD-ATL route. I can't figure out why, but 95% of the equipment serving this route are MD-XXs. Flights in both directions are generally full (and by full I mean every seat is occupied) with standbys waiting for a seat assignment. If there was ever a route that needed bigger equipment it would be this one. When, historically, has Delta make that call? It would be nice to see some A319s throughout the day or even a 757 offering.
Today's drama is due to the flight being "oversold". Our agent in ATL just offered $500 to give up a seat with the next flight availability six hours from now. There are four standbys awaiting seat assignment and I know if someone gives up their seat one of those standbys will get it. Just seems like a backward approach, like how USAirways used to operate. As for the $500, I would of jumped on the chance immediately and asked to be put on the DCA flight and either taken the Metro or Cab to your destination. |
I believe Delta is making these decisions with a little more information than a small set of anecdotal evidence.
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Originally Posted by steex
(Post 25827095)
Also, I suspect you're mistaken about standbys getting the seat assignment. Volunteers are generally only sought when there are more confirmed passengers than seats, not to accommodate standby passengers. The purpose of VDB (voluntary denied boarding) is to avoid the generally larger payout and consequences of an IDB (involuntary denied boarding) when too many passengers are confirmed for a flight. Standby passengers are owed nothing if they don't make it on a flight, so the airline is not going to issue VDB vouchers for no reason.
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Originally Posted by tvtd
(Post 25827996)
If I may, how does one purchase a ticket without a seat assigned?
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Originally Posted by Beckles
(Post 25827875)
I believe Delta is making these decisions with a little more information than a small set of anecdotal evidence.
Seriously though, having browsed the forums here for quite a while I've learned quite a bit from the regulars (yourself included, many thanks). That, combined with flying Delta almost exclusively and seeing the change in PAX complement just in the past year, prompted my question. Even "anecdotal" observations have to be indicative of overall trends. |
Originally Posted by kop84
(Post 25825790)
Just because flights are full doesn't mean they are profitable.
Load factor and yield are two completely different things. Most flights are full these days (on all airlines). Most of those "full" flights don't make money...marinate on that. |
Originally Posted by HDQDD
(Post 25828150)
This, this, and I wish everyone understood: this.
Load factor and yield are two completely different things. Most flights are full these days (on all airlines). Most of those "full" flights don't make money...marinate on that. Again, thanks all. This thread has served its purpose before veering wildly off-subject. |
Also keep in mind things like fleet utilization and the ideal range of the aircraft, in addition to the capacity. A 757 or A319/320 has a greater range and is much better used on longer routes while the 500 mile hop to IAD gets the planes with the shorter range.
Think of the MDs as an up-gauge from CR7/CR9s and it makes a lot more sense. ;) |
The bigger planes in the DL fleet for a domestic flight are the 160 seat MD90 and 737-800 and refurbed A320, the 180 seat 737-900, the up to 199 seat 757-200, and the 234 seat 757-300.
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I travel out of DCA about 30 times a year. One issue with the 757 is space. DL only has a few gates that can handle this size plane. At busy times it's difficult for planes to get in and out between B/C because DL shares the alley with AA and B6. The other issue is space inside of the terminal.
I've had mechanical cancellations at DCA and in my experience DL doesn't really want to send you to IAD or BWI. I also can't remember the last time I saw an empty seat out of DCA. I do use BWI a couple of times a year, but have found the airfares really haven't been cheaper than DCA this year. In terms of AC, I like the 2 seat side on the MD and there are more F seats than the A319. |
DTW has it worse off than ATL at Dulles
At least ATL has all of the various mainline flights that have been mentioned. Us DTW fliers have it worse. Less frequency on regionals. Admittedly, there are now larger CRs (7s/9s), but there is still a crappy CRJ on the 5-ish PM flight, IDA-DTW, that seems to be when everyone is flying home after work.
In addition, Dulles and BWI seem to be getting worse for DTW and MSP fliers with how regional flights are now sneaking in to DCA and BWI to and from DTW and MSP, on top of the regional flights to and from IAD. |
Originally Posted by tvtd
(Post 25825652)
Today's drama is due to the flight being "oversold". Our agent in ATL just offered $500 to give up a seat with the next flight availability six hours from now. There are four standbys awaiting seat assignment and I know if someone gives up their seat one of those standbys will get it. Just seems like a backward approach, like how USAirways used to operate.
First off, you don't know whether all of those four names waiting on the screen were actual confirmed passengers without seats assigned, non-confirmed passengers standing by for a different flight (for Same Day standby or another reason), or most likely, non-revs. The screen makes no distinction between these very different reasons why someone would be waiting for a seat assignment, and none of these reasons except the first would be of any concern to Delta in deciding which type of equipment to use. Only four names awaiting seat assignment on the screen is a low number if you've ever seen that screen when it stretches to multiple pages of names, mostly all non-revs. Also, "oversold" doesn't necessarily mean that anyone actually gets bumped. Gate agents proactively solicit volunteers when there is a risk of needing to bump someone. However, in many cases, by the 15 minute mark, it turns out that the volunteers aren't needed due to other no-shows, and are then asked to board - when this happens, Delta succeeded in maximizing the seats sold without going over. For better or for worse, we've seen many comments and complaints on this forum about the handling of the VDB process, and it's clear that volunteering and then being asked to board at the last minute is not an uncommon occurrence. Unless you have access to Travelnet or Deltamatic to see who the standbys are and what happened with the volunteer situation, there's not really any evidence here that Delta lost out on anything with this flight.
Originally Posted by tvtd
(Post 25827996)
If I may, how does one purchase a ticket without a seat assigned?
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