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Old Jul 10, 2016, 5:48 pm
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Delta rolls out schedule changes pretty much every Saturday, though the scope/impact can vary. During this time, seat maps may be locked out, may show the wrong aircraft layout, etc. while changes are occurring. If you are not traveling immediately, FT conventional wisdom is to wait until Sunday (or even Monday in the case of major schedule adjustments where things take longer) for things to settle down, then take stock of your upcoming itineraries to see what changes have occurred and what changes/refunds you may be entitled to.

You are entitled to a full refund to original form of payment, even for a ticket that was purchased as a non-refundable ticket, if any of the following occur as a result of schedule change:
  • departure or arrival delay of 2hrs or more
  • increase in the number of flight segments (non-stop to connecting, 1-stop to 2-stop, etc.)
  • change resulting in a connection below the Minimum Connection Time for a given airport (do a Google search for "site:flyertalk.com minimum connecting time XXX" with the airport code to find the relevant thread if one exists)
  • any change in operating carrier, i.e. operated by Delta mainline before the schedule change and Delta Connection after the change
    • it is also a commonly-held belief that a change from Delta Connection to mainline, or from one Delta Connection carrier to a different Delta Connection carrier, also qualifies for a full refund -- if anyone has documentation of this, a link would be great...

The airline would rather keep your money than refund it, so they will frequently accept any vaguely reasonable rerouting that you propose. This includes, by policy, changing origin and/or destination within 100 miles, rebooking +/- two days, and changing outbound/return date to keep the length of the trip the same post-rebooking.

If none of the above conditions for a refund is true, you may still be entitled to a free change -- in your trip summary there will be a notice about changes/refunds, and per the "conditions apply" popup link in that text:

If a Delta schedule or routing change has delayed your departure or arrival by more than one hour, you may be eligible to select an alternate flight at no additional charge. Note that the below conditions may apply:
  • Your origin, destination and travel date must remain the same
  • Alternate flights must be available, and you can only modify once as subsequent changes may result in additional fees
  • Voluntary changes to other flights not impacted by a Delta schedule change may result in additional fees
If possible, you may wish to try modifying your flights online first -- there have been data points where the site allowed a free rebooking even though it did not technically fall into the above categories. NOTE however that self-rebooking online is known not to work if you have (1) any trip involving upgrade certificates (whether cleared or not), (2) if you have self-upgraded by picking an upgraded seat that said FREE (instead of waiting for the automated upgrade system sweep to reseat you in an upgraded seat), this seems to inhibit self-rebooking as well.

Otherwise, suggested best practice is to research your preferred alternative rebooking beforehand (whether DL flight search, Google Flights, ITA Matrix etc.) so that you can speak with an agent already knowing what you want, and ask for it; this will be much more efficient than having an agent find alternatives for you.

Other notes/FAQs:
  • Even if you voluntarily choose a preferred rebooking, you have a high likelihood of success claiming Original Routing Credit since the original reason for the change was involuntary.
  • If you booked through a travel agency, including online travel agencies (OTA) such as Expedia, Chase Ultimate Rewards, etc. you will have to contact them, not Delta, to request rerouting if the automatic rebooking is not satisfactory to you.
    • There have been reports of an agency insisting that a change of 2 hours was required (per the "pro" site) for a free change, even though the popup on the DL site says 1 hour
    • You can sometimes get Delta to take over a travel agency ticket; this is subject to a $50 fee to take over the ticket, although sometimes agents decline to collect it
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Old Jul 1, 2018, 8:51 pm
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Originally Posted by WWads
It was a mistake of mine to call on a Sunday. I've found that the good agents only work weekdays. Weekends (especially Sundays) are bad.
Interesting. I have found before 8AM ET on Sundays reps on the DM line will do things that are WAY outside the rules over and over again. Almost the only time I call for many changes.
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Old Jul 1, 2018, 9:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Renes Points
Interesting. I have found before 8AM ET on Sundays reps on the DM line will do things that are WAY outside the rules over and over again. Almost the only time I call for many changes.
How many times has that been so? I would strongly suspect it's just a coincidence, unless you have like 19/20 datapoints that have it so, in which case it may be a semblance of a pattern.
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Old Jul 1, 2018, 11:24 pm
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my wife and I are going SEA-DCA mid Nov: C+ cleared at booking (753/320 over MSP, 1+25 layover, arriving 2200); we now have 3+05 layover arriving 2345 ... options are to leave 90 min later and take the same MSP-DCA (739/320), or keep approx same departure/arrival times over DTW (739/319, 1+15 layover) or JFK (75S/717, 40 min layover) ... or have dinner during the long MSP layover
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Old Jul 1, 2018, 11:51 pm
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Originally Posted by jrl767
my wife and I are going SEA-DCA mid Nov: C+ cleared at booking (753/320 over MSP, 1+25 layover, arriving 2200); we now have 3+05 layover arriving 2345 ... options are to leave 90 min later and take the same MSP-DCA (739/320), or keep approx same departure/arrival times over DTW (739/319, 1+15 layover) or JFK (75S/717, 40 min layover) ... or have dinner during the long MSP layover
See if you can clear some RUCs or if you have a cheap buy-up, buy-up and then use the schedule change to switch to SEA-JFK-DCA on the 75S (also probably the routing with the most MQMs of what you listed too).

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Old Jul 7, 2018, 7:45 am
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Updates rollig out today. I have had 1 aircraft change, 2 no longer list an aircraft and 3 if I click sests it won’t let me says changes are pending.
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Old Jul 7, 2018, 8:54 am
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Today's change to an upcoming flight now has me arriving ATL at 9:06pm with my connection to SFO departing at 8:55pm. Too tight?
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Old Jul 7, 2018, 9:25 am
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Originally Posted by dalehill
Today's change to an upcoming flight now has me arriving ATL at 9:06pm with my connection to SFO departing at 8:55pm. Too tight?
Yes - but you must run "really really fast"! See:

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Old Jul 7, 2018, 10:17 am
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Originally Posted by Renes Points
Interesting. I have found before 8AM ET on Sundays reps on the DM line will do things that are WAY outside the rules over and over again. Almost the only time I call for many changes.
I'm but a lowly Skymiles member, so no fancy DM line for me. But I've found that early morning representatives in general are excellent. The two times I had success on the phone were both 6:00 AM Eastern calls where I got a rep in Atlanta. The second one mentioned I was the second call of the day for her. She was so incredibly helpful and actually pleasant to speak with that I requested to speak to her supervisor afterwards so that I could let them know how much I appreciated the positive interaction for once.

(Of course, I found out where all the crusty service personnel were at that time of the morning... In the manager's office. Yikes. The manager didn't seem to care at all about anything. Oh well. The representative was still extremely appreciate when I asked if I could speak to her supervisor to let them know how great of a job she was doing.)
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Old Jul 7, 2018, 4:54 pm
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Originally Posted by Jon_R
Updates rollig out today. I have had 1 aircraft change, 2 no longer list an aircraft and 3 if I click sests it won’t let me says changes are pending.
Also had a change that no longer lists an aircraft. It also changed flight numbers from DL4 to DL106 which is strange because I thought all flight ex-JFK were supposed to start with a 2 or 4 to denote the terminal. Also just seems strange that they would change out the routes with single digit flight numbers.
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Old Jul 7, 2018, 5:01 pm
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Think I could use a mainline to RJ downgrade to negotiate a change of origin? If I understand DOT rules correctly, such a downgrade gives me the right to get a refund, so I think I'd have some leverage.
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Old Jul 7, 2018, 6:02 pm
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Originally Posted by steveholt
If you want to wait to see whether SFO-BOS restarts with D1 service, why would you call immediately? Wait until a few days before and make the change to whichever flight you want. (You could theoretically end up with zero open seats on your given day to fly between JFK and SFO, but that seems very unlikely.)
Thank you, this is good advice that I took. I was planning on going to visit my father on a milestone birthday. Unfortunately he has been ill recently, so I will sit on this for a while until I know he will be better.
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Old Jul 8, 2018, 1:46 am
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Originally Posted by WWads
Think I could use a mainline to RJ downgrade to negotiate a change of origin? If I understand DOT rules correctly, such a downgrade gives me the right to get a refund, so I think I'd have some leverage.
Depends on what your origin is now vs what you are wanting. Yes due to change in operating carrier you're entitled to a refund, so DL will be willing to rebook. However an origin change is outside the policy, so it depends how reasonable the change is. Ie DCA to IAD vs LAX to SFO.
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Old Jul 8, 2018, 2:19 am
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
Depends on what your origin is now vs what you are wanting. Yes due to change in operating carrier you're entitled to a refund, so DL will be willing to rebook. However an origin change is outside the policy, so it depends how reasonable the change is. Ie DCA to IAD vs LAX to SFO.
Also agent dependent as well as status. Granted this was before I dropped from DM to PM, but I was able to get an SEA-JAX-SEA ticket first changed to SEA-TPA/JAX-SEA after a major change on SEA-JAX outbound and then later was able to get JAX-SEA changed to DAB-SEA after a schedule change on that leg.
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Old Jul 8, 2018, 7:05 am
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I’d be changing from BWI to DCA, and would be willing to make it an open jaw if needed. We’ll see what they say.
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Old Jul 8, 2018, 7:55 am
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Originally Posted by eastindywalrus
I'm but a lowly Skymiles member, so no fancy DM line for me. But I've found that early morning representatives in general are excellent. The two times I had success on the phone were both 6:00 AM Eastern calls where I got a rep in Atlanta. The second one mentioned I was the second call of the day for her. She was so incredibly helpful and actually pleasant to speak with that I requested to speak to her supervisor afterwards so that I could let them know how much I appreciated the positive interaction for once.

(Of course, I found out where all the crusty service personnel were at that time of the morning... In the manager's office. Yikes. The manager didn't seem to care at all about anything. Oh well. The representative was still extremely appreciate when I asked if I could speak to her supervisor to let them know how great of a job she was doing.)
Give them a 5 and save your time next time.

Agents don't have an assigned supervisor and some may see it as expending unnecessary time; they join a queue and get whichever supervisor is available next, often in a different call centet
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