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Delta to add MSP?FCO and DTW/MUC for summer

Delta to add MSP?FCO and DTW/MUC for summer

Old Sep 13, 16, 9:43 pm
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Originally Posted by AgentCooper View Post
Not much to cannibalize on the the AMS/CDG/JFK -- at least from my opinion -- but perhaps I'm too particular.

AMS: I used to connect through here all the time on my way to DUB but this no longer seems to be a marketable connection (used to be able to connect with EI which no longer seems to be available for DL bookings). Give me a long haul on A330 and a short haul on a 737 and I'd fly it -- as I've done many times in the past but although the flights exist it's no longer bookable.

CDG: This is the only practical connection for hitting the long-haul flights out of SEA first. But absolutely no thanks for being forced on the Avro RJ85 (City Jet) afterwards. I did it once and unfortunately doing it one more time with an upcoming trip but it won't be done again after that (I'm not a fan of the Avro's nor am I a fan of transiting through CDG).

JFK: No way I'm flying 6+ hours on a 737 to JFK just to connect for another 6+ hour flight (A330/767). Immediately out of the question, especially the time of year of some of my flights -- potential WX nightmare.
JFK - You can fly 757 and normally 1 or 2 of them are lie-flats in F.

CDG - The ARJ is one of the most missed RJs that has ever flown in the US. I'm not sure if City Jet reconfigured them, but they had plenty of F and the Y class wasn't crowded. Plus in the configured Mesaba flew them for NW the Y cabin had a couple of Y seats with no seat in front of it due to the misalignment with F. Of course NW had to operate the ARJ with F because of the NW pilot contract. It couldn't have any more total seats then what it had or it had to be mainline and not regional operated. Also a lot of people liked it since the wings were overhead, allowed for better views.

AMS - EI isn't a DL partner, and with DL operating service to DUB it makes no sense to sell an EI flight. Although if you book using a KLM fare you can get booked on it, but of course won't earn DL SMs.
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Old Sep 13, 16, 11:25 pm
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Originally Posted by kop84 View Post
You make a lot of great points, especially looking at places like DUB. Is a non-stop going to generate new passengers or just caniblize existing offerings via AMS/CDG/JFK? Most likely too much of the latter to justify.
Originally Posted by AgentCooper View Post
Not much to cannibalize on the the AMS/CDG/JFK -- at least from my opinion -- but perhaps I'm too particular.

AMS: I used to connect through here all the time on my way to DUB but this no longer seems to be a marketable connection (used to be able to connect with EI which no longer seems to be available for DL bookings). Give me a long haul on A330 and a short haul on a 737 and I'd fly it -- as I've done many times in the past but although the flights exist it's no longer bookable.

CDG: This is the only practical connection for hitting the long-haul flights out of SEA first. But absolutely no thanks for being forced on the Avro RJ85 (City Jet) afterwards. I did it once and unfortunately doing it one more time with an upcoming trip but it won't be done again after that (I'm not a fan of the Avro's nor am I a fan of transiting through CDG).

JFK: No way I'm flying 6+ hours on a 737 to JFK just to connect for another 6+ hour flight (A330/767). Immediately out of the question, especially the time of year of some of my flights -- potential WX nightmare.
Agreed AMS is a problem due to no KLM service (only EI). As for CDG, I've only flown the Avro RJ85 by CityJet once (TRN-CDG), but I didn't find anything objectionable about it - seemed like a perfectly reasonable flight to me.
Sounds like Delta's current service to DUB from Seattle doesn't work well for you. But I don't see them doing anything to fix it as there isn't enough of a market to go after. There are certain markets that it just doesn't make sense for them to compete in.

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Old Sep 14, 16, 6:21 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
Yep, but MSP-FCO is what? Tour groups to see the Pope and eat pasta? This doesn't seem like it would be a high yield route as there aren't a lot of obvious customers for business travel.
The route at least underperformed booking expectations a little, as DL deleted MTW outbound/TWTh return schedule for September (we know because this hit us, we lost our nonstop return after Labor Day).

On our outbound day, D1 was being offered at OLCI for $799 on an X fare.

I'll be quite curious to see if service comes back next summer. I was surprised they used a 764. That is a lot of D1 seats to sell on a leisure route. To me, a 76Z would make much more sense.
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