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Delta MD80 skidss off runway @ LGA 11:09AM EST

Delta MD80 skidss off runway @ LGA 11:09AM EST

Old Mar 5, 2015, 10:43 am
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Originally Posted by george 3
18mph tailwind (from NW) was reported by Bill Evans of NY WABC Channel 7 while diagramming the approach and landing.
KLGA 051631Z 36009KT 1/4SM R04/3500VP6000FT SN FZFG VV012 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 P0004
KLGA 051622Z 01008KT 1/4SM R04/3000VP6000FT SN FZFG VV011 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 SFC VIS 1/2 P0003
KLGA 051551Z 01008KT 1/4SM R04/2800V3500FT SN FZFG VV009 M03/M05 A3012 RMK AO2 SLP199 P0006 T10331050
KLGA 051524Z 04007KT 1/4SM R04/2600V2800FT SN FZFG VV009 M03/M04 A3013 RMK AO2 P0004
Well, I don't know if you are a pilot or understand METARs, but these are the actual reports coming from LaGuardia at 1024AM/1051AM/1122AM/1131. I have also heard the actual ATCT recording and the landing clearance winds are 03009KT.

Bill Evans of WABC may be a great guy, but he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 10:47 am
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Listening to the ATC (starts around 2:40), where tower starts calling for DL 1086 is kind of eerie.
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by javabytes
DL1685 LGA-MCO, DL1948 MCO-LGA, and DL1350 LGA-RSW are all now cancelled.
The airport has been closed!
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 10:56 am
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TV is saying LGA is closed to 7PM -- I wonder how many people are stuck on planes on the tarmac, could be an issue if a plane left a gate and another one pulled in.

Also, Delta dot dumb shows 1086 "arrived" on time.

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Old Mar 5, 2015, 10:58 am
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Originally Posted by CaptainMiles
We have two more recent reports. An aircraft was cleared to depart at 1600Z from runway 4 and at the time given landing RVR of 4500 ft. Another aircraft asked for a wind check at approximately 16:00:25 (and presumably that was DL1086 who asked, not sure) and the wind then was 020@10. That would be a 4-knot tailwind component.
RVR constantly changes during any given weather event, but RVR4500 is in line with the METARs both before and after, and all of them are below minimums for RWYs 04/31. That leaves RWY13 or 22, both of which were within mins but the tailwind would have been far worse on 22.(4kts is within limits)
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by BobH
TV is saying LGA is closed to 7PM -- I wonder how many people are stuck on planes on the tarmac, could be an issue if a plane left a gate and another one pulled in.

Also, Delta dot dumb shows 1086 "arrived" on time.

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...and apparently into a gate

Not my photo but here's another image:
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 11:05 am
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This picture gives you an idea just how close this incident came to being a lot worse.



Courtesy @JoeDowdNews.
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 11:06 am
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Live update on airport status (real-time over scanner) Airport Ops trying to re-open Rwy 4/22 once they can clear the adjacent taxiways of ground vehicles, first responders & media, etc. to resume some/limited operations once some cleanup is done. NTSB en route as standard protocol - press conference pushed back to 1:30 PM local. Officially, airport closed until 7 PM.

FlightAware - DL 1086's tracklog - http://flightaware.com/live/flight/D.../KLGA/tracklog

True to FT's one-bag Ninja spirit, a few seen on live video walking off the wing exit with their backpack & cabin bags, ready to go (one with a relatively heavy one)

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Old Mar 5, 2015, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by jrkmsp
This picture gives you an idea just how close this incident came to being a lot worse.



Courtesy @JoeDowdNews.
The picture shows the left side over-wing exits closed. Either it was too soon after the incident for them to be open, or indeed it confirms that something (presumably major damage or fuel spill) caused the crew to choose to leave them closed.
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 11:11 am
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Overweight landing due to un-manifested award charts being smuggled out of ATL, Shirley....

Glad everyone is ok, but why couldn't it have been one of the CR2??
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 11:11 am
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Originally Posted by CaptainMiles
The picture shows the left side over-wing exits closed. Either it was too soon after the incident for them to be open, or indeed it confirms that something (presumably major damage or fuel spill) caused the crew to choose to leave them closed.

Reports are that the pilot said that at least 1000 gallons may have spilled.
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 11:12 am
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Originally Posted by Down3Green
Well, I don't know if you are a pilot or understand METARs, but these are the actual reports coming from LaGuardia at 1024AM/1051AM/1122AM/1131. I have also heard the actual ATCT recording and the landing clearance winds are 03009KT.

Bill Evans of WABC may be a great guy, but he doesn't know what he's talking about.
Not a pilot. Don't know how to read the output you posted. However, I do see the time lapses at every roughly 27 minutes and the plane landed between the 1051am and 1122am reading. Every seen the swirling winds at LGA on bad weather days?
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 11:13 am
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Originally Posted by CaptainMiles
The picture shows the left side over-wing exits closed. Either it was too soon after the incident for them to be open, or indeed it confirms that something (presumably major damage or fuel spill) caused the crew to choose to leave them closed.
According to one of the first responders, the left side wing punctured and was dropping fuel. This would seem to make sense with the photo. Right side wing looked like it was mangled too. Wings can be repaired, but that photo makes it look like the plane's spine may be sagging too. If that's the case, Delta's MD-88 fleet would likely drop by one. But hard to tell at this point.
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 11:19 am
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Originally Posted by LaserSailor
Glad everyone is ok, but why couldn't it have been one of the CR2??
Or an A320/319.

Seriously, Delta should be more careful with their better aircraft. They don't make aircraft as comfortable and beautiful as the MD-80 anymore.

This is Delta's second crash at LGA. They're going to catch up with US Airways soon...
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Old Mar 5, 2015, 11:24 am
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It looks like Delta won't be able to deliver the bags in 20 minutes, so these folks stand to get 2500 miles each.
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