Delta Adding Seats To Boost Margins (Per AJC)
Mar 4, 2015, 6:41 am
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Delta Adding Seats To Boost Margins (Per AJC)
Mar 4, 2015, 6:51 am
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"“We can put significantly more seats on the airplane without jeopardizing seat comfort or legroom,” said Delta chief financial officer Paul Jacobson during a presentation to investors this week. "
These guys are such effective liars; Delta must have a special course taught by that Paragon of Truthiness, Slippery Jeff.
These guys are such effective liars; Delta must have a special course taught by that Paragon of Truthiness, Slippery Jeff.
Mar 4, 2015, 6:53 am
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typical marketing/PR-speak that is rather disconnected from reality:
"added more seats on planes by using slimline seats ... significantly more seats on the airplane without jeopardizing seat comfort or legroom" -- I can't think of any glowing reviews of coach seating (or F seating, for that matter) on the 739
"Larger planes also allow more first class seats ..." -- yet on the largest narrow-body jet (757) they are actually REDUCING the seat count in F from 22/24/26 to 20, which happens to be the same as the 739
"added more seats on planes by using slimline seats ... significantly more seats on the airplane without jeopardizing seat comfort or legroom" -- I can't think of any glowing reviews of coach seating (or F seating, for that matter) on the 739
"Larger planes also allow more first class seats ..." -- yet on the largest narrow-body jet (757) they are actually REDUCING the seat count in F from 22/24/26 to 20, which happens to be the same as the 739
Mar 4, 2015, 7:03 am
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"“We can put significantly more seats on the airplane without jeopardizing seat comfort or legroom,” said Delta chief financial officer Paul Jacobson during a presentation to investors this week. "
These guys are such effective liars; Delta must have a special course taught by that Paragon of Truthiness, Slippery Jeff.
These guys are such effective liars; Delta must have a special course taught by that Paragon of Truthiness, Slippery Jeff.
Delta has been retiring 50-seat regional jets and replacing them with larger, more efficient planes.
It has also added more seats on planes by using slimline seats
...and re-engineered galleys that had been used for food service.
Mar 4, 2015, 7:08 am
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I'd have to call this "mostly true" actually.
Adding seats by increasing plane size doesn't impact seat comfort or legroom.
This is based on the notion that slimline seats are as comfortable as the bulkier older seats. This is debatable in that many slimline seats lack adjustable lumbar support, but I think it's a fairly reasonable claim.
Re-engineering galley to allow more room for seats doesn't reduce seat comfort/legroom.
Adding seats by increasing plane size doesn't impact seat comfort or legroom.
This is based on the notion that slimline seats are as comfortable as the bulkier older seats. This is debatable in that many slimline seats lack adjustable lumbar support, but I think it's a fairly reasonable claim.
Re-engineering galley to allow more room for seats doesn't reduce seat comfort/legroom.
Mar 4, 2015, 7:11 am
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typical marketing/PR-speak that is rather disconnected from reality:
"added more seats on planes by using slimline seats ... significantly more seats on the airplane without jeopardizing seat comfort or legroom" -- I can't think of any glowing reviews of coach seating (or F seating, for that matter) on the 739
"Larger planes also allow more first class seats ..." -- yet on the largest narrow-body jet (757) they are actually REDUCING the seat count in F from 22/24/26 to 20, which happens to be the same as the 739
"added more seats on planes by using slimline seats ... significantly more seats on the airplane without jeopardizing seat comfort or legroom" -- I can't think of any glowing reviews of coach seating (or F seating, for that matter) on the 739
"Larger planes also allow more first class seats ..." -- yet on the largest narrow-body jet (757) they are actually REDUCING the seat count in F from 22/24/26 to 20, which happens to be the same as the 739
Mar 4, 2015, 7:26 am
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Wasn't there a recent thread about a Fiji water bottle in a back seat pocket affecting the passenger's lower back?
You might keep the leg room but get back pain...
You might keep the leg room but get back pain...
Mar 4, 2015, 7:32 am
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If lots more seats are added, the aircraft should also have more lavatories as well as larger bins. It shouldn't just be a matter of installing slimline seats to reduce pitch (and AFAIK weight too) while maintaining the same legroom.
Mar 4, 2015, 7:36 am
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In addition to the larger planes, they're adding more seats to the A319 and A320s, including taking the A320s back to 16F. Yes, it's news to investors, but I think most of us knew most of this already. There aren't really many planes they haven't reconfigured in the past four years.
Mar 4, 2015, 7:39 am
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The 757-200 and 757-300 AVOD/slimline projects aren't exactly new topics.
Two and a half years ago for the 753:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...ng-thread.html
More than a year for the 757s:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...-aircraft.html
As for using mainline or bigger RJs to replace CRJ-200s, DL is fully five years into that effort.
The OP might not be able to keep up but the AJC certainly should.
Two and a half years ago for the 753:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...ng-thread.html
More than a year for the 757s:
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...-aircraft.html
As for using mainline or bigger RJs to replace CRJ-200s, DL is fully five years into that effort.
The OP might not be able to keep up but the AJC certainly should.
Mar 4, 2015, 7:40 am
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All this reconfiguring of aircraft costs money, seems wasteful (old seats are presumably discarded), and adding seats contradicts the idea of capacity discipline.
It similarly seems like an expensive waste to rebrand aircraft and service as D1, C+, etc. It confuses both the customers and the employees (FAs, phone agents, etc.). In the D1 case, it causes a risk that international business class tickets won't be reimbursed because someone will think that DeltaOne means FC.
It similarly seems like an expensive waste to rebrand aircraft and service as D1, C+, etc. It confuses both the customers and the employees (FAs, phone agents, etc.). In the D1 case, it causes a risk that international business class tickets won't be reimbursed because someone will think that DeltaOne means FC.
Mar 4, 2015, 7:45 am
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Presumably this is all old news that we've all heard of.... but I'm curious why Delta has suddenly decided to add Comfort+ seats to the Mad dogs?
Although we haven't seen a seatmap yet, so it's possible they are keeping seat count the same but have found yet more creative ways to find the extra few inches.
Although we haven't seen a seatmap yet, so it's possible they are keeping seat count the same but have found yet more creative ways to find the extra few inches.
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"“We can put significantly more seats on the airplane without jeopardizing seat comfort or legroom,” said Delta chief financial officer Paul Jacobson during a presentation to investors this week. "
These guys are such effective liars; Delta must have a special course taught by that Paragon of Truthiness, Slippery Jeff.
These guys are such effective liars; Delta must have a special course taught by that Paragon of Truthiness, Slippery Jeff.
David