Mar 29, 2017, 7:29 am
Last edit by: TWAforever
DL/KE current flights between ICN and North America:
Update from Delta News Hub (28MARCH17):
http://news.delta.com/delta-and-kore...nd-partnership
Will this mean a move from Group 4 partner to Group 1? Delta SkyMiles PR rep says:
"... the details youre looking for will be figured out further down the road"
Further from the Delta press release on the date of the JV agreement being signed, 6/23/17:
Delta and Korean Air will lay the groundwork for implementing all aspects of the joint venture, subject to regulatory approvals, including:
It cited no date for the enhanced FF benefits to be effective.
New Delta SkyMiles mileage earn chart, including MQMs and MQDs, for Korean Air flights effective May 1, 2018. See posts #566 and #567 for details.
Update from Delta News Hub (28MARCH17):
http://news.delta.com/delta-and-kore...nd-partnership
Will this mean a move from Group 4 partner to Group 1? Delta SkyMiles PR rep says:
"... the details youre looking for will be figured out further down the road"
Further from the Delta press release on the date of the JV agreement being signed, 6/23/17:
Delta and Korean Air will lay the groundwork for implementing all aspects of the joint venture, subject to regulatory approvals, including:
- Expanded codesharing in the trans-Pacific market
- Joint sales and marketing initiatives in Asia and the United States
- Colocation at key hubs with seamless passenger and baggage transit experience
- Enhanced frequent flyer benefits, providing customers of both airlines the ability to earn and redeem miles on Delta's SkyMiles and Korean Air's SKYPASS programs
- Increased belly cargo cooperation across the trans-Pacific
- Under the agreement, the airlines will also share costs and revenues on flights within the scope of the joint venture as they work to expand service options for travelers.
- Increased belly cargo cooperation across the trans-Pacific
- Enhanced frequent flyer benefits, providing customers of both airlines the ability to earn and redeem miles on Delta's SkyMiles and Korean Air's SKYPASS programs
- Colocation at key hubs with seamless passenger and baggage transit experience
- Joint sales and marketing initiatives in Asia and the United States
It cited no date for the enhanced FF benefits to be effective.
New Delta SkyMiles mileage earn chart, including MQMs and MQDs, for Korean Air flights effective May 1, 2018. See posts #566 and #567 for details.
Joint Venture Between Korean Air and Delta Announced Effective as of May 1, 2018
Apr 30, 2018, 11:07 pm
#571
Join Date: Jul 2015
Location: MCO
Programs: DL PM, UA Silver, Marriott Titanium, Hertz Presidents Circle
Posts: 4,310
Its about time! Dont understand why DL never gave out any MQMs/MQDs on KE markets flights before this change. If airlines like HA (who isnt even in SkyTeam), SV, ME, and GA earn some MQMs, why was KE exempted from this for so long?
Apr 30, 2018, 11:11 pm
#572
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: SJC/YUL
Programs: DL PM, Marriott Gold
Posts: 3,878
There's a very messy and complicated history between these two airlines, they got engaged and then broke up many times. About time indeed!!
May 1, 2018, 12:54 am
#575
Join Date: May 2004
Location: formerly Gold now Diamond, formerly MSY, now LAX, formerly NW, now DL
Programs: Hyatt Plat, Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Delta Diamond/1MM
Posts: 4,635
And they do again, but MQMs MQDs and all that you wanted, Tier 1!!! Korean Air Mileage Earn On/After May 1, 2018
XPurchased Accrual Class
BASE MILES
CLASS BONUS
TOTAL MILES EARNED
MEDALLION QUALIFICATION MILES2
MEDALLION QUALIFICATION DOLLARS3
MEDALLION MILEAGE BONUS4
First: P,F (International)
100%
200%
300%
200%
60%
Business: J
100%
100%
200%
200%
40%
Business: C, D, I, R
100%
100%
200%
150%
40%
Full Economy: W, Y, B
100%
25%
125%
150%
25%
Economy: S (International)
100%
100%
100%
20%
Economy: M, H, E
100%
100%
100%
20%
Discounted Economy: G, Q
50%
50%
100%
10%
Discounted Economy: K, L, U (International)
50%
50%
100%
10%
Deep Discounted Economy: T
25%
25%
100%
5%
Deep Discounted Economy: N (International)
25%
25%
100%
5%
See How Much You’ll Earn
Any eligible flight that is not Delta-marketed will earn miles according to these partner airline rules. For certain partners, earn will be determined based on marketing and ticketing carrier. Not sure what Delta-marketed means? Learn more about this.
Korean Air-marketed flights in the following fare classes are eligible for accrual based on the percentages in the table below, multiplied by the flight distance (as determined in Delta or the partner carrier’s sole discretion)1.
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-partners.html
Class Exclusions: If a class is not listed, no miles are earned. No miles are earned for Award Travel.
Other Exclusions: Accrual is not eligible for KE flights 9000-9999
(1) Partner-marketed flights will earn miles based on a percentage of distance flown* as determined by the fare class paid. Unless otherwise noted, mileage credit is only applicable to SkyTeam-marketed flights operated by a SkyTeam member airline. Mileage credit is not applicable to a SkyTeam-marketed flight operated by another airline.
(2) Medallion Qualification Miles (MQMs) are used as a counter to determine SkyMiles Medallion status. Flights and itineraries eligible for MQMs will earn a minimum of 500 MQMs per segment.
(3) Medallion Qualification Dollars (MQDs) apply to Medallion qualification. Flights marketed by the partner will earn MQDs based on a percentage of distance flown* as determined by the fare class paid.
(4) Medallion Mileage Bonus is based on Base Miles earned: Diamond - 120%; Platinum - 80%; Gold - 60%; Silver - 40%
*For purposes of mileage credit, "distance flown" means the calculated distance between origin and destination, as determined by Delta in its sole discretion, regardless of the actual distance traveled on any individual flight.
MILEAGE EARN BETWEEN JAN. 16 - APR. 30, 2018Class Exclusions: If a class is not listed, no miles are earned. No miles are earned for Award Travel.
Other Exclusions: Accrual is not eligible for KE flights 9000-9999
(1) Partner-marketed flights that are not ticketed by Delta will continue to earn miles based on a percentage of distance flown* as determined by the fare class paid. Unless otherwise noted, mileage credit is only applicable to SkyTeam-marketed flights operated by a SkyTeam member airline. Mileage credit is not applicable to a SkyTeam-marketed flight operated by another airline.
(2) All Korean Air marketed flights, even if ticketed by Delta (ticket number begins with "006"), are not eligible for Medallion Qualification Dollars (MQDs).
*For purposes of mileage credit, "distance flown" means the calculated distance between origin and destination, as determined by Delta in its sole discretion, regardless of the actual distance traveled on any individual flight.
MILEAGE EARN BETWEEN JAN. 1, 2015 AND DEC. 31, 2017Class Exclusions: If a class is not listed, no miles are earned. No miles are earned for Award Travel.
Other Exclusions: Accrual is not eligible for KE flights 9000-9999
(1) Partner-marketed flights that are not ticketed by Delta will continue to earn miles based on a percentage of distance flown* as determined by the fare class paid. Unless otherwise noted, mileage credit is only applicable to SkyTeam-marketed flights operated by a SkyTeam member airline. Mileage credit is not applicable to a SkyTeam-marketed flight operated by another airline.
(2) All Korean Air marketed flights, even if ticketed by Delta (ticket number begins with "006"), are not eligible for Medallion Qualification Dollars (MQDs).
*For purposes of mileage credit, "distance flown" means the calculated distance between origin and destination, as determined by Delta in its sole discretion, regardless of the actual distance traveled on any individual flight.
XPurchased Accrual Class
BASE MILES
CLASS BONUS
TOTAL MILES EARNED
MEDALLION QUALIFICATION MILES2
MEDALLION QUALIFICATION DOLLARS3
MEDALLION MILEAGE BONUS4
First: P,F (International)
100%
200%
300%
200%
60%
Business: J100%
100%
200%
200%
40%
Business: C, D, I, R100%
100%
200%
150%
40%
Full Economy: W, Y, B100%
25%
125%
150%
25%
Economy: S (International)100%
100%
100%
20%
Economy: M, H, E100%
100%
100%
20%
Discounted Economy: G, Q50%
50%
100%
10%
Discounted Economy: K, L, U (International)50%
50%
100%
10%
Deep Discounted Economy: T25%
25%
100%
5%
Deep Discounted Economy: N (International)25%
25%
100%
5%
See How Much You’ll EarnAny eligible flight that is not Delta-marketed will earn miles according to these partner airline rules. For certain partners, earn will be determined based on marketing and ticketing carrier. Not sure what Delta-marketed means? Learn more about this.
Korean Air-marketed flights in the following fare classes are eligible for accrual based on the percentages in the table below, multiplied by the flight distance (as determined in Delta or the partner carrier’s sole discretion)1.
https://www.delta.com/content/www/en...-partners.html
Class Exclusions: If a class is not listed, no miles are earned. No miles are earned for Award Travel.
Other Exclusions: Accrual is not eligible for KE flights 9000-9999
(1) Partner-marketed flights will earn miles based on a percentage of distance flown* as determined by the fare class paid. Unless otherwise noted, mileage credit is only applicable to SkyTeam-marketed flights operated by a SkyTeam member airline. Mileage credit is not applicable to a SkyTeam-marketed flight operated by another airline.
(2) Medallion Qualification Miles (MQMs) are used as a counter to determine SkyMiles Medallion status. Flights and itineraries eligible for MQMs will earn a minimum of 500 MQMs per segment.
(3) Medallion Qualification Dollars (MQDs) apply to Medallion qualification. Flights marketed by the partner will earn MQDs based on a percentage of distance flown* as determined by the fare class paid.
(4) Medallion Mileage Bonus is based on Base Miles earned: Diamond - 120%; Platinum - 80%; Gold - 60%; Silver - 40%
*For purposes of mileage credit, "distance flown" means the calculated distance between origin and destination, as determined by Delta in its sole discretion, regardless of the actual distance traveled on any individual flight.
MILEAGE EARN BETWEEN JAN. 16 - APR. 30, 2018Class Exclusions: If a class is not listed, no miles are earned. No miles are earned for Award Travel.
Other Exclusions: Accrual is not eligible for KE flights 9000-9999
(1) Partner-marketed flights that are not ticketed by Delta will continue to earn miles based on a percentage of distance flown* as determined by the fare class paid. Unless otherwise noted, mileage credit is only applicable to SkyTeam-marketed flights operated by a SkyTeam member airline. Mileage credit is not applicable to a SkyTeam-marketed flight operated by another airline.
(2) All Korean Air marketed flights, even if ticketed by Delta (ticket number begins with "006"), are not eligible for Medallion Qualification Dollars (MQDs).
*For purposes of mileage credit, "distance flown" means the calculated distance between origin and destination, as determined by Delta in its sole discretion, regardless of the actual distance traveled on any individual flight.
MILEAGE EARN BETWEEN JAN. 1, 2015 AND DEC. 31, 2017Class Exclusions: If a class is not listed, no miles are earned. No miles are earned for Award Travel.
Other Exclusions: Accrual is not eligible for KE flights 9000-9999
(1) Partner-marketed flights that are not ticketed by Delta will continue to earn miles based on a percentage of distance flown* as determined by the fare class paid. Unless otherwise noted, mileage credit is only applicable to SkyTeam-marketed flights operated by a SkyTeam member airline. Mileage credit is not applicable to a SkyTeam-marketed flight operated by another airline.
(2) All Korean Air marketed flights, even if ticketed by Delta (ticket number begins with "006"), are not eligible for Medallion Qualification Dollars (MQDs).
*For purposes of mileage credit, "distance flown" means the calculated distance between origin and destination, as determined by Delta in its sole discretion, regardless of the actual distance traveled on any individual flight.
May 1, 2018, 1:02 am
#576
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Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: New York, NY, USA
Posts: 12,482
GLOBAL UPGRADE TERMS & CONDITIONS...................Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class................For Virgin Atlantic, Korean Air and Aeromexico, upgrades are only valid for Delta marketed flights.
May 1, 2018, 1:30 am
#578
Join Date: May 2004
Location: formerly Gold now Diamond, formerly MSY, now LAX, formerly NW, now DL
Programs: Hyatt Plat, Hilton Gold, SPG Gold, Delta Diamond/1MM
Posts: 4,635
Depends on what you want to get out of the program vs an Asian airline. You don't have MQDs to deal with.
May 1, 2018, 1:34 am
#579
Join Date: Nov 2017
Location: New York, New York, US
Programs: KF, FB, HH, AA
Posts: 205
Perks would be a really nice thing to have.. In Morning Calm I only get 4 lounge access per 2 years. Aside from Priority boarding, Priority Check in thats about it. Though, I would start from scratch if I go with DL. I am seeing I would be flying 2 times with in this year alone with KE from SE asia to US round trip + a few flights with in Intercontinental US with DL. I would prolly get silver after 1 trip though.
May 1, 2018, 4:20 am
#580
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SJC, SFO
Programs: Delta DM, IHG Spire, Hertz PC, H.com Gold^3, lowly something on others...
Posts: 1,260
Man, the tide has turned. All my flights in/out of Asia are now passing through ICN. The system blocks good/preferred/bulkhead seats and pre-flight seat selection looks yucky in economy. There is no comfort+ or similar premium economy, so there is no upgrade of any kind on KE flights
May 1, 2018, 4:26 am
#581
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Seattle, WA
Programs: DL Diamond 1.7MM, Starlux Insighter, Bonvoy Titanium, Hilton Gold, Hertz PC
Posts: 3,947
Mods, now that the JV is launching, can we split out the new discussion into a new thread? If it stays buried in this months old thread, lots of folks who dont check the thread regularly are going to miss out on the goodness of this announcement (at least until Delta sends a mass email about it)...
May 1, 2018, 6:08 am
#582
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: RST
Programs: Delta Diamond; Hilton Diamond; Accor Gold
Posts: 4,839
Man, the tide has turned. All my flights in/out of Asia are now passing through ICN. The system blocks good/preferred/bulkhead seats and pre-flight seat selection looks yucky in economy. There is no comfort+ or similar premium economy, so there is no upgrade of any kind on KE flights
May 1, 2018, 8:01 am
#583
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: SJC, SFO
Programs: Delta DM, IHG Spire, Hertz PC, H.com Gold^3, lowly something on others...
Posts: 1,260
This is the most screwed up JV ever. I called Korean Air and their res agent in Malaysia call center told me the JV specifically said no advanced seat selection and the DL people didn't reach their agreement!!!
I am as angry and frustrated as I could get. I went back into the system and cancelled all my flights with KE segments and the agent on the phone was shocked I managed to cancel. Genius - it's called 24-hr risk free cancellation! NO Korean Air for me!!! I hope DL does not cancel more TPAC routes, if they do, I am seriously going to United. There is something seriously wrong when your top elite can't pick a seat on a flight with 40% empty seats and DL is PR'ing this as some awesome JV!
May 1, 2018, 8:08 am
#584
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: SFO
Programs: DL Charter DM/DM/2MM, IHG Diamond Elite
Posts: 1,925
Not a chance!!! I booked several trips for May, all showing decent seats available at search. I ticketed the flights with seats selected and none of them sticks. I called Diamond desk, they called codeshare desk, which told me to call KE. I called KE and they told me to call DL back. Long story short, 4 hours later, I have several TPAC flights with no seat selection while the aircraft is showing 40% empty!!!
This is the most screwed up JV ever. I called Korean Air and their res agent in Malaysia call center told me the JV specifically said no advanced seat selection and the DL people didn't reach their agreement!!!
I am as angry and frustrated as I could get. I went back into the system and cancelled all my flights with KE segments and the agent on the phone was shocked I managed to cancel. Genius - it's called 24-hr risk free cancellation! NO Korean Air for me!!! I hope DL does not cancel more TPAC routes, if they do, I am seriously going to United. There is something seriously wrong when your top elite can't pick a seat on a flight with 40% empty seats and DL is PR'ing this as some awesome JV!
This is the most screwed up JV ever. I called Korean Air and their res agent in Malaysia call center told me the JV specifically said no advanced seat selection and the DL people didn't reach their agreement!!!
I am as angry and frustrated as I could get. I went back into the system and cancelled all my flights with KE segments and the agent on the phone was shocked I managed to cancel. Genius - it's called 24-hr risk free cancellation! NO Korean Air for me!!! I hope DL does not cancel more TPAC routes, if they do, I am seriously going to United. There is something seriously wrong when your top elite can't pick a seat on a flight with 40% empty seats and DL is PR'ing this as some awesome JV!
May 1, 2018, 8:37 am
#585
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: RST
Programs: Delta Diamond; Hilton Diamond; Accor Gold
Posts: 4,839
Not a chance!!! I booked several trips for May, all showing decent seats available at search. I ticketed the flights with seats selected and none of them sticks. I called Diamond desk, they called codeshare desk, which told me to call KE. I called KE and they told me to call DL back. Long story short, 4 hours later, I have several TPAC flights with no seat selection while the aircraft is showing 40% empty!!!
This is the most screwed up JV ever. I called Korean Air and their res agent in Malaysia call center told me the JV specifically said no advanced seat selection and the DL people didn't reach their agreement!!!
I am as angry and frustrated as I could get. I went back into the system and cancelled all my flights with KE segments and the agent on the phone was shocked I managed to cancel. Genius - it's called 24-hr risk free cancellation! NO Korean Air for me!!! I hope DL does not cancel more TPAC routes, if they do, I am seriously going to United. There is something seriously wrong when your top elite can't pick a seat on a flight with 40% empty seats and DL is PR'ing this as some awesome JV!
This is the most screwed up JV ever. I called Korean Air and their res agent in Malaysia call center told me the JV specifically said no advanced seat selection and the DL people didn't reach their agreement!!!
I am as angry and frustrated as I could get. I went back into the system and cancelled all my flights with KE segments and the agent on the phone was shocked I managed to cancel. Genius - it's called 24-hr risk free cancellation! NO Korean Air for me!!! I hope DL does not cancel more TPAC routes, if they do, I am seriously going to United. There is something seriously wrong when your top elite can't pick a seat on a flight with 40% empty seats and DL is PR'ing this as some awesome JV!