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Delta announced numerous changes to its Pacific operations on 31 July 2014.

Changes include numerous downgauges from 747s to other aircraft as well as several discontinued routes.

Delta Announces Cutbacks in the Pacific
Changes Include Smaller Aircraft and Discontinued Routes

Delta announced significant cutbacks in its Pacific division on Thursday in a memo to its employees. The airline has been reducing the size of its Tokyo hub at Narita International Airport for some time and is eliminating several routes while downgauging the aircraft used on other routes. It will also continue to expand its Seattle hub and increase non-stop routes from there.

Delta is cancelling its Tokyo (Narita)-Hong Kong and Nagoya-Manila routes on October 26 of this year. It will continue to offer non-stop service to Hong Kong from Seattle and will service Manila from Tokyo...
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Old Jul 31, 14, 9:59 am
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Delta Cutting Back in the Pacific

Delta had previously said it would make an announcement about its Pacific division this week.

I haven't seen anything official but FAs on FB are already posting that Pacific-based flight attendants are being told that their bases are being closed or downsized.

This is in addition to the announcement earlier this week about retiring 25% of the 747 fleet.

More details to follow when they become available.
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Any idea which routes are getting nixed?
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As posted in the 747 thread:

ATL/LAX-NRT now 777
DTW-NGO now A330
NRT-HKG cancelled
NGO-MNL cancelled
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Thanks, JJ. So the NGO flight now terminates there?
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If they cancel NRT-HKG it will be impossible for anyone from the eastern 1/2 of the USA to fly to HKG on DL, except for those people living in MSP, DTW, JFK or ATL.

The SEA-HKG flight leaves SEA too early for anyone in the eastern 1/2 of the country and not from one of those four hub cities to make it to SEA in time for the flight. From any other city without a direct flight to SEA they would have to connect in one of those hubs.

The HKG-SEA flight works well, getting in early enough to fly anywhere in the USA even if an additional domestic connection is required. In the other direction it is impossible.

Not only for HKG, but for many of the farther-flung TPAC destinations, this is the reason DL cannot close the NRT hub until it has aircraft with longer ranges to fly to those places from somewhere in the eastern half of the USA. Or they are going to lose a lot of business.
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Delta Announces Cutbacks in the Pacific
Changes Include Smaller Aircraft and Discontinued Routes

Delta announced significant cutbacks in its Pacific division on Thursday in a memo to its employees. The airline has been reducing the size of its Tokyo hub at Narita International Airport for some time and is eliminating several routes while downgauging the aircraft used on other routes. It will also continue to expand its Seattle hub and increase non-stop routes from there.

Delta is cancelling its Tokyo (Narita)-Hong Kong and Nagoya-Manila routes on October 26 of this year. It will continue to offer non-stop service to Hong Kong from Seattle and will service Manila from Tokyo...
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Ouch. First DTW-HKG is discontinued and now NRT-HKG. I have no desire to fly before dawn on a domestic plane in order to connect through SEA.

I wonder whether one of the NRT SCs will be closed or keep shorter hours.
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Originally Posted by koreanair720 View Post
Thanks, JJ. So the NGO flight now terminates there?


On October 26, Detroit-Nagoya will downgauge to an Airbus A330-200 - See more at: http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.....HCHuT3kH.dpuf


I have flown this route to Manila many times starting with NWA and will miss this option!
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On October 26, Detroit-Nagoya will downgauge to an Airbus A330-200 - See more at: http://www.frequentbusinesstraveler.....HCHuT3kH.dpuf


I have flown this route to Manila many times starting with NWA and will miss this option!
Sounds like it, but isn't this tantamount to cutting capacity into MNL on DL by half? Or has NGO-MNL been operated by a smaller aircraft?
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Originally Posted by HongKonger View Post
If they cancel NRT-HKG it will be impossible for anyone from the eastern 1/2 of the USA to fly to HKG on DL, except for those people living in MSP, DTW, JFK or ATL.

The SEA-HKG flight leaves SEA too early for anyone in the eastern 1/2 of the country and not from one of those four hub cities to make it to SEA in time for the flight. From any other city without a direct flight to SEA they would have to connect in one of those hubs.

The HKG-SEA flight works well, getting in early enough to fly anywhere in the USA even if an additional domestic connection is required. In the other direction it is impossible.

Not only for HKG, but for many of the farther-flung TPAC destinations, this is the reason DL cannot close the NRT hub until it has aircraft with longer ranges to fly to those places from somewhere in the eastern half of the USA. Or they are going to lose a lot of business.
The above isn't actually true. From BOS, for example, you can make the SEA-HKG flight connecting through MSP, DTW, or JFK. Not to mention the possibility of taking AS nonstop. Also, is there any reason to believe that the SEA-HKG timing could not be changed?
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Originally Posted by pbarnette View Post
The above isn't actually true. From BOS, for example, you can make the SEA-HKG flight connecting through MSP, DTW, or JFK. Not to mention the possibility of taking AS nonstop. Also, is there any reason to believe that the SEA-HKG timing could not be changed?
There may be some cities where you can make it to SEA in time with a connection but for many stations it will not be possible. Also, even for those stations where it is possible, pax would have to take the absolutely earliest flight out of their originating station.

Sure they could move the SEA-HKG flight 3 hours later, then it would arrive in HKG about 2230 like the NRT flight does now. That would solve the problem. If they don't do this I might have no choice but to start flying other airlines. Sad because DL > AA >>> UA
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What about CX or do you have to fly American?
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Originally Posted by HongKonger View Post
There may be some cities where you can make it to SEA in time with a connection but for many stations it will not be possible. Also, even for those stations where it is possible, pax would have to take the absolutely earliest flight out of their originating station.
I suspect that most of the major markets could manage a connection. I'm not going to look at every possible city, but ATL, DCA, RDU, BNA, CLT, and ORD all can manage a connection through MSP at a minimum.
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist View Post
What about CX or do you have to fly American?
Not sure what you are asking, sorry.
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Not sure what you are asking, sorry.
I was asking HongKonger whether the Fly America Act applies to him since he seemed to list AA and UA as his other choices. Otherwise, Cathay would be the obvious choice to HKG.
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