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Using Delta Global Upgrades


DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-upgrades
(click or scroll to "Upgrade Certificates Overview" and expand the "Show Additional Details & Terms" sections to see T&C, especially for the specific conditions governing use on partner airlines)

"Global Upgrade Certificates, available exclusively for Diamond Medallion Members, offer upgrades on both international and domestic flights with Delta, and select flights with KLM, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Korean Air and Aeromexico."

Delta offers Diamond Medallion members the benefit of up to 4 Global Upgrade Certificates (GUCs) per year, which each allow a one-way upgrade to business class/Delta One for one person on any route in the Delta network, as well as a limited number of partner flights under specific restricted circumstances described below. 4 GUCs is enough to upgrade the Diamond Medallion member on 2 round trips or 4 one-way trips, or the Diamond Medallion member plus one companion on 1 round trip or 2 one-way trips.

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Upgrades are valid one year from the date of issue, usually the day of or day after they are selected in Choice Benefits -- so best to wait as long as possible to select them unless you have a specific use planned for them
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You may select your DM benefits at different times, so it is best to select fixed-expiration-date benefits (like gifting status or SkyClub memberships) as soon as possible, but wait until you have a specific use in mind to select upgrades, so that the expiration date is as far into the future as possible. This is especially important if you are waitlisting upgrades for a particular trip, since if the waitlist doesn't clear, a later expiration date will maximize the amount of time you have to try again to use them on a different trip.
  • For status earned based on flying in 2017, upgrades can be selected until the last day that status is valid, January 31, 2019, so they could possibly expire as late as January ~30, 2020 if they are selected as late as possible.
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.

Finding upgrade space
  • Delta phone agents and the @Delta Twitter account can check for available upgrade space
  • There is no general way to check for available upgrade space online
  • However there is one exception where some flights appear to be able to be checked online: for Delta flights carrying a KLM code -- for example, most flights between the US and Europe -- ExpertFlyer.com (paid membership required) shows KLM upgrade space, and will show upgrade space for those KL-coded, DL-operated flights, which based on anecdotal evidence seems to often (but not always) correspond to upgrade space made available by Delta. This can be a way to check many dates and flights easily, but confirm with Delta that the upgrade space does in fact exist before making firm plans.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
  • If upgrade space is not available on your desired flight, you can waitlist, and it is possible the upgrade may clear before departure. If not your name should appear on the upgrade list at the gate. See next section for details.
  • Upgrade space is rarely seen in advance on busy, high-upgrade-demand routes like ATL-JNB and LAX-SYD.

Requesting an upgrade
  • You must call or Tweet at Delta to request an upgrade, they cannot be requested on the website
  • If upgrade space is available, the agent will process the upgrade immediately and you will be able to select business class seats
  • If the upgrade is confirmed in advance, your ticket will be reissued in business class at some point before the flight and you will receive a new itinerary email when this happens; occasionally the ticket does not get reissued and you will not be able to check in, but a quick call to Delta usually fixes this easily
  • Occasionally an email is sent to alert you if a waitlisted upgrade has cleared, but often the best indication is if a segment of your itinerary disappears entirely from Delta.com, which usually means the upgrade has cleared on that segment. Call Delta to have them process it so that it reappears in your itinerary, and you will be able to select business class seats.
  • There have been reports of upgrades coded incorrectly by agents -- unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if your upgrade is coded correctly, and requested upgrades seem to show up a few different ways on Delta.com, sometimes with an "upgrade requested" designation on the flight, and/or with a "phantom" duplicate flight in the seat maps which will not let you select seats
  • If an upgrade has not cleared by check-in time and you do not appear on the upgrade list on the Delta app or Delta.com, call to have an agent correct the upgrade
  • In certain airports where other airlines handle Delta's flights (particularly AMS), it is not officially possible to clear at the gate; KLM does process upgrades at the gate in AMS for certificates waitlisted 24 hours in advance of departure, but this is not an officially guaranteed benefit. To be safe make sure you have your GUC certificate numbers and redemption codes written down in case the KLM agents need this information.
  • If you are connecting, for example flying MCO-ATL-LHR, and upgrade space is not available on ATL-LHR, best practice is to waitlist on the ATL-LHR leg only, so as not to waste a global upgrade on the short MCO-ATL flight, and then add the upgrade request to MCO-ATL when/if ATL-LHR clears; most agents will understand this approach and may even proactively suggest it
  • If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)

Other upgrade rules
  • Upgrades are valid on Delta flights on all economy fares except Basic Economy (E)
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • On flights operated with a Premium Select cabin, Delta has indicated that it will still be possible to use a GUC to upgrade directly from economy to Premium Select or to Delta One using the same number of GUCs. However, if an upgrade is cleared from economy to Premium Select, the GUC will be considered used, and another GUC would be required to upgrade again to Delta One. The best strategy is probably to waitlist only for Delta One upgrades, and perhaps if the GUC is close to expiring or you don't expect to have another use for it, to add a request for a Premium Select upgrade close to departure if the Delta One upgrade hasn't yet cleared and/or the Delta One seat map looks very full.
  • Upgrades may be used for the SkyMiles member and up to one companion; The companion need not be in the same PNR, but must be traveling on the exact same flight as the GUC holder.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with
  • As of January 22, 2018, it is now officially possible to use a certificate for a companion but not for yourself, as long as you are traveling on the same flight as the companion -- for example if you are eligible to buy a business class ticket for business travel and want to bring your spouse by buying an economy ticket and upgrading them. It is not clear if you could upgrade your companion but not yourself. In the past the question has been raised of waiting for a complimentary medallion upgrade for the main member and then using a certificate for the companion, but now that companions for complimentary medallion upgrades are processed at the same priority as the main member, this is no longer a likely concern.

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade, but the flights must be bought on DL flight numbers initially (unless buying expensive Y, B, or M fares with KLM)
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1779666-guc-now-able-used-virgin-atlantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1857464-definitive-thread-use-sky-miles-upgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed (DL flight number), Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to G class (Upper Class). " Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australia’s Business Class.

Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-marketed and operated flight and booked in W, S or A class as well as customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class)"

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."




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Old Jan 21, 2019, 5:52 am
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Originally Posted by rogo
So I have mine, DL operated SEA --> MSP --> AMS and then KL AMS --> ATH. And I can't get that last leg upgraded even when Expert Flyer finds the Z. So I dunno. The DM line and Twitter seem to agree on this. They both claimed to have searched the KL flight number. The MSP --> AMS is already confirmed in Delta One. So I dunno.

The posts above seem consistent with this notion that Expert Flyer can't be trusted on this topic. Or the DM people can't be. Or both.
That's very frustrating!!
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Old Jan 21, 2019, 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by rogo
So I have mine, DL operated SEA --> MSP --> AMS and then KL AMS --> ATH. And I can't get that last leg upgraded even when Expert Flyer finds the Z. So I dunno. The DM line and Twitter seem to agree on this. They both claimed to have searched the KL flight number. The MSP --> AMS is already confirmed in Delta One. So I dunno.
The posts above seem consistent with this notion that Expert Flyer can't be trusted on this topic. Or the DM people can't be. Or both.

Ha! I feel your pain. I just got off the DM line trying to find inventory for my flight in November. I'm going ATL-AMS-KUL. So this is what I was told by the DM person, GUCs can only be applied to the leg leaving the US. So my ATL-AMS was no issue. AMS-KUL was not up gradable. Then she said that KLM requires Y fare to be able to apply the GUC.
I have been playing all morning with dates and then calling DM line to see if they can find inventory for my dates. The outbound seems to have inventory but the return no luck. I'm even trying to go ATL-ICN-KUL, a little more expensive going this way but Korean Air has less restrictions when applying the GUC.
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Old Jan 21, 2019, 8:21 am
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Originally Posted by ahbitheman
Will do. In everyone's experience, does these DM / International line agents put up a fuss if the travel dates are after certificate expiration? Guess I'll have to HUCA a bunch if so.
I’m also only a Delta Platinum at the moment so hopefully getting a smart agent won’t be hard.

The Twitter agents have gone far, far downhill IMO. They used to be great for this stuff but have become terrible in the past 6-12 months-ish. Fortunately if you are indeed all set per the rules and ExpertFlyer, it's usually not too hard to find a DM line agent who knows what they're doing; PM line might be a little harder since they wouldn't see it very often, but in my past experience the GM/PM line agents are usually very good in general, so hopefully they'll just look up what to do or call a support desk and get the right guidance. (Them not doing this as much could also work in your favor, since many of the issues with DM line agents doing the wrong thing stems from them assuming that partner upgrades work like Delta upgrades.)
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That's frustrating to hear. Never heard of GUCs only be applied to the leg leaving the US. That makes absolutely no sense if you ask me (that essentially means you can only use GUCs one way out of the US - what about the return flight??). Unless they mean it can only be applied on R/Ts from the US which I still have not heard as a restriction before. Also, it seems GUCs are suppose to be applicable to both legs of a trip as long as space is available and I know I've read success stories of people upgrading both legs of a trip (with the second leg being outside the US).

Have you been confirming your upgrade space in Expert Flyer prior to calling?

I'd love to hear a successful KLM GUC upgrade story lately before I spend hours on the phone trying to get a competent agent.

Thanks!

Originally Posted by Eddie98
Ha! I feel your pain. I just got off the DM line trying to find inventory for my flight in November. I'm going ATL-AMS-KUL. So this is what I was told by the DM person, GUCs can only be applied to the leg leaving the US. So my ATL-AMS was no issue. AMS-KUL was not up gradable. Then she said that KLM requires Y fare to be able to apply the GUC.
I have been playing all morning with dates and then calling DM line to see if they can find inventory for my dates. The outbound seems to have inventory but the return no luck. I'm even trying to go ATL-ICN-KUL, a little more expensive going this way but Korean Air has less restrictions when applying the GUC.

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Old Jan 21, 2019, 8:44 am
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I don't have Expert Flyer yet. That's something I'm considering signing up for right now. Like the other guy said, how reliable is it?
It threw me off when she said that GUC can only be applied to US legs. I need to call again and maybe get a more knowledgable agent.
Also some of the partner legs (KE, KLM) show no space. Maybe they have not opened up inventory or it's already full and just need to get on the wait list.

It's way cheaper going thru AMS but with KLM having some many rules, I may opt for a higher fair and travel thru Asia instead of EU.

Originally Posted by ahbitheman
That's frustrating to here. Never heard of GUCs only be applied to the leg leaving the US. That makes absolutely no sense if you ask me (that essentially means you can only use GUCs one way out of the US - what about the return flight??). Unless they mean it can only be applied on R/Ts from the US which I still have not heard as a restriction before. Also, it seems GUCs are suppose to be applicable to both legs of a trip as long as space is available and I know I've read success stories of people upgrading both legs of a trip (with the second leg being outside the US).

Have you been confirming your upgrade space in Expert Flyer prior to calling?

I'd love to hear a successful KLM GUC upgrade story lately before I spend hours on the phone trying to get a competent agent.

Thanks!
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Old Jan 21, 2019, 9:56 am
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Originally Posted by ahbitheman
I'd love to hear a successful KLM GUC upgrade story lately before I spend hours on the phone trying to get a competent agent.
Just last week I booked SFO>AMS>LHR. 006 stock, DL-marketed, KL-operated. Z inventory found on EF. First DM agent I got didn't know what she was talking about, but HUCA'd. Second agent knew what she was doing and had me reticketed and in confirmed seats within about 15 minutes (she also processed the return on DL metal).

Originally Posted by Eddie98
Ha! I feel your pain. I just got off the DM line trying to find inventory for my flight in November. I'm going ATL-AMS-KUL. So this is what I was told by the DM person, GUCs can only be applied to the leg leaving the US. So my ATL-AMS was no issue. AMS-KUL was not up gradable. Then she said that KLM requires Y fare to be able to apply the GUC.
I have been playing all morning with dates and then calling DM line to see if they can find inventory for my dates. The outbound seems to have inventory but the return no luck. I'm even trying to go ATL-ICN-KUL, a little more expensive going this way but Korean Air has less restrictions when applying the GUC.
What flight number is AMS>KUL? You must be booked on the DL codeshare in order to use a GUC from the lower fare classes. If booked with a KL flight number, then I believe you must have a YBM fare to use the GUC. Of course, that still means the agent was incorrect if she said only Y fares were eligible, and makes her even more incorrect if you are booked on a DL flight #. You also have to deal with married-segment logic...to use the GUC, you need Z inventory on the entire route, not just the individual segments. And unfortunately availability on ATL>AMS plus availability on AMS>KUL does not always equal availability on ATL>>KUL.
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Old Jan 21, 2019, 10:13 am
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I only use my GUCs on KLM operated flights. Like others have said, I use Expert Flyer to confirm Z inventory, but I’ve also perform coarser searches with ITA. For example, IAH-KUL: one ITA tab will search IAH to KUL with “dl ams dl” as routing codes; and “f ~bc=e” as extension codes, to find the cheapest economy flights going through AMS. Another tab will search ITA for the same city pair but with “kl ams kl” and “f bc=z; -codeshares” to force only KLM operated flights with Z space open. Just reconcile the search results from the two searches - in the first ITA search, you’re looking for the “operated by KLM” with DL flight numbers. And the flights have the same arrival/departure times ;-) EF then confirms the space. Incidentally, you can get a feel for how much space is open by increasing the number of pax til the fare bumps higher.

I’ve had to school the DM line folks *every* time I apply GUCs on DL marketed, KL operated flights, even ones who answer affirmitive to my initial “are you familiar with how to apply GUCs to KLM flights?”. So, make sure you have the ITA search window and EF results up, as well as the Delta GUC rules, and stay at it!
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Originally Posted by gooselee
Just last week I booked SFO>AMS>LHR. 006 stock, DL-marketed, KL-operated. Z inventory found on EF. First DM agent I got didn't know what she was talking about, but HUCA'd. Second agent knew what she was doing and had me reticketed and in confirmed seats within about 15 minutes (she also processed the return on DL metal).



What flight number is AMS>KUL? You must be booked on the DL codeshare in order to use a GUC from the lower fare classes. If booked with a KL flight number, then I believe you must have a YBM fare to use the GUC. Of course, that still means the agent was incorrect if she said only Y fares were eligible, and makes her even more incorrect if you are booked on a DL flight #. You also have to deal with married-segment logic...to use the GUC, you need Z inventory on the entire route, not just the individual segments. And unfortunately availability on ATL>AMS plus availability on AMS>KUL does not always equal availability on ATL>>KUL.
I'm not booked on anything right now. The ones I'm looking at are DL9375, DL8210 operated by KLM. The return DL8212, DL75. All have V fares.
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Old Jan 21, 2019, 12:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Eddie98
I'm not booked on anything right now. The ones I'm looking at are DL9375, DL8210 operated by KLM. The return DL8212, DL75. All have V fares.
Just transfer international ticket and have them process the upgrade. Have been doing that for my past KLM GUC upgrades. Much easier.

Haven't heard anybody using GUCs on KE yet. Need YBM fares too. Lots of agents still do not know that you can use GUCs on KE too.

EF is quite reliable. When I booked my KLM flight to JNB (used 4x globals with companion), I watched Z class go from Z2 to Z0 after upgrade was confirmed. Then, cancelled ticket to get a better repricing, agents said space not available (true - I took the space), cancelled tickets and space went back up to Z2.
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Old Jan 21, 2019, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by Eddie98
So this is what I was told by the DM person, GUCs can only be applied to the leg leaving the US.
Point them at the web site:

https://www.delta.com/en_US/skymiles...lion-upgrades/

Under GLOBAL UPGRADE TERMS & CONDITIONS, "6. Applicable Routes: ... For travel on KLM and Virgin Atlantic: valid for use on one-way travel systemwide."

Originally Posted by ahbitheman
Never heard of GUCs only be applied to the leg leaving the US.
The agent may have been getting confused with the conditions for GUC use on AF, which do explicitly say in the same section as above: "For travel on Air France: valid for one-way one cabin upgrade travel between US and Paris (CDG) operated by Air France flights equipped with Premium Voyageur cabin. Air France flights operated by 747 equipment are not eligible."
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Old Jan 21, 2019, 1:08 pm
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Originally Posted by kxc262
Just transfer international ticket and have them process the upgrade. Have been doing that for my past KLM GUC upgrades. Much easier.
I'm still new at this fare game. I'm not sure what you mean by "transfer int ticket"
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Old Jan 21, 2019, 2:14 pm
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Well, I signed up for EF. I'm still not sure what I'm looking at or what I have searched. But I think if I'm looking at it right, there is some Z inventory in some flights. Which based on the T&C
" For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. "
If I purchase my V economy fares(all KL operated), I could get upgraded to the Z seats that EF is showing on KLM? If I did the search correctly on EF.
I want to make sure I get it right, I could book it and then call DM line. If not cancel within the 24 hr window.
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Old Jan 21, 2019, 4:16 pm
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Originally Posted by Eddie98
Well, I signed up for EF. I'm still not sure what I'm looking at or what I have searched. But I think if I'm looking at it right, there is some Z inventory in some flights. Which based on the T&C
" For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. "
If I purchase my V economy fares(all KL operated), I could get upgraded to the Z seats that EF is showing on KLM? If I did the search correctly on EF.
I want to make sure I get it right, I could book it and then call DM line. If not cancel within the 24 hr window.
I can't view your doc but yes, if you searched EF for the full ATL-KUL route and saw Z inventory on the flights you want, you should be able to book the DL flight #s and then call the DM desk and have them immediately apply, clear, and reticket your GUCs.

As you mention there's little risk here - book it on DL.com and then call and tell them you've already confirmed upgrade inventory and want to apply the GUCs to the itin you just booked. If you get the sense the agent isn't well-informed, I find it easier to politely HUCA than try to argue it. All else fails you have until midnight the day after booking to cancel the ticket for a full refund (or cancel with n 24h if you don't want to wrestle time zone issues).
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Old Jan 22, 2019, 7:25 am
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Originally Posted by gooselee
Welcome to FT!

Delta changed the rules for GUCs (and RUCs) early last year. They can now be used on Pay With Miles tickets (as well as Amex companion tickets and I think SkyBonus which were all previously not allowed). The agent you spoke to was reciting old rules, and your best bet is just to call again and talk to a different agent. Ask for a supervisor if you need to.


Thanks so much for all the replies! This is all very overwhelming after reading the Wiki. Can anyone lend any tips on a starting place to look for getting from east coast to europe for 2 weeks in May? Are there airports/airline partners/routes that seem to offer more availability than others? We are open to jumping from any airport in the NE to any airport in europe. I've started reading the threads but they seems to indicate success on a single airline route and thought maybe those of you that have been doing this for a while have a feel for what is possible and what is a fool's errand. Looking just a tip...something along the lines of "I see a lot of success on Air France from Detroit to CDG", etc. Thanks in advance for helping out a newbie. BTW we used to use an awards consultant to help us book for a fee but since this is using a GUC, it seems no one is interested in assisting since we're using pay with miles.
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Old Jan 22, 2019, 9:24 am
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SUCCESS using GUC on KLM!!!
WOW, this was more involved than I thought. This would be so much easier if the DM line people were better trained. Also the use of EF made it much easier to find the correct flights with open inventory.
It took about 5 different calls to DM line. I was told twice that it couldn't be done, HUCA and the next person was more knowledgeable on the process.
All 4 GUCs clear on KLM from ATL-AMS-KUL-AMS-ATL. Now I need to read more on how MQM and MQD work with KLM.

Thanks to all the ones that responded to my questions.
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