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Using Delta Global Upgrades


DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-upgrades
(click or scroll to "Upgrade Certificates Overview" and expand the "Show Additional Details & Terms" sections to see T&C, especially for the specific conditions governing use on partner airlines)

"Global Upgrade Certificates, available exclusively for Diamond Medallion Members, offer upgrades on both international and domestic flights with Delta, and select flights with KLM, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Korean Air and Aeromexico."

Delta offers Diamond Medallion members the benefit of up to 4 Global Upgrade Certificates (GUCs) per year, which each allow a one-way upgrade to business class/Delta One for one person on any route in the Delta network, as well as a limited number of partner flights under specific restricted circumstances described below. 4 GUCs is enough to upgrade the Diamond Medallion member on 2 round trips or 4 one-way trips, or the Diamond Medallion member plus one companion on 1 round trip or 2 one-way trips.

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Upgrades are valid one year from the date of issue, usually the day of or day after they are selected in Choice Benefits -- so best to wait as long as possible to select them unless you have a specific use planned for them
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You may select your DM benefits at different times, so it is best to select fixed-expiration-date benefits (like gifting status or SkyClub memberships) as soon as possible, but wait until you have a specific use in mind to select upgrades, so that the expiration date is as far into the future as possible. This is especially important if you are waitlisting upgrades for a particular trip, since if the waitlist doesn't clear, a later expiration date will maximize the amount of time you have to try again to use them on a different trip.
  • For status earned based on flying in 2017, upgrades can be selected until the last day that status is valid, January 31, 2019, so they could possibly expire as late as January ~30, 2020 if they are selected as late as possible.
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.

Finding upgrade space
  • Delta phone agents and the @Delta Twitter account can check for available upgrade space
  • There is no general way to check for available upgrade space online
  • However there is one exception where some flights appear to be able to be checked online: for Delta flights carrying a KLM code -- for example, most flights between the US and Europe -- ExpertFlyer.com (paid membership required) shows KLM upgrade space, and will show upgrade space for those KL-coded, DL-operated flights, which based on anecdotal evidence seems to often (but not always) correspond to upgrade space made available by Delta. This can be a way to check many dates and flights easily, but confirm with Delta that the upgrade space does in fact exist before making firm plans.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
  • If upgrade space is not available on your desired flight, you can waitlist, and it is possible the upgrade may clear before departure. If not your name should appear on the upgrade list at the gate. See next section for details.
  • Upgrade space is rarely seen in advance on busy, high-upgrade-demand routes like ATL-JNB and LAX-SYD.

Requesting an upgrade
  • You must call or Tweet at Delta to request an upgrade, they cannot be requested on the website
  • If upgrade space is available, the agent will process the upgrade immediately and you will be able to select business class seats
  • If the upgrade is confirmed in advance, your ticket will be reissued in business class at some point before the flight and you will receive a new itinerary email when this happens; occasionally the ticket does not get reissued and you will not be able to check in, but a quick call to Delta usually fixes this easily
  • Occasionally an email is sent to alert you if a waitlisted upgrade has cleared, but often the best indication is if a segment of your itinerary disappears entirely from Delta.com, which usually means the upgrade has cleared on that segment. Call Delta to have them process it so that it reappears in your itinerary, and you will be able to select business class seats.
  • There have been reports of upgrades coded incorrectly by agents -- unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if your upgrade is coded correctly, and requested upgrades seem to show up a few different ways on Delta.com, sometimes with an "upgrade requested" designation on the flight, and/or with a "phantom" duplicate flight in the seat maps which will not let you select seats
  • If an upgrade has not cleared by check-in time and you do not appear on the upgrade list on the Delta app or Delta.com, call to have an agent correct the upgrade
  • In certain airports where other airlines handle Delta's flights (particularly AMS), it is not officially possible to clear at the gate; KLM does process upgrades at the gate in AMS for certificates waitlisted 24 hours in advance of departure, but this is not an officially guaranteed benefit. To be safe make sure you have your GUC certificate numbers and redemption codes written down in case the KLM agents need this information.
  • If you are connecting, for example flying MCO-ATL-LHR, and upgrade space is not available on ATL-LHR, best practice is to waitlist on the ATL-LHR leg only, so as not to waste a global upgrade on the short MCO-ATL flight, and then add the upgrade request to MCO-ATL when/if ATL-LHR clears; most agents will understand this approach and may even proactively suggest it
  • If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)

Other upgrade rules
  • Upgrades are valid on Delta flights on all economy fares except Basic Economy (E)
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • On flights operated with a Premium Select cabin, Delta has indicated that it will still be possible to use a GUC to upgrade directly from economy to Premium Select or to Delta One using the same number of GUCs. However, if an upgrade is cleared from economy to Premium Select, the GUC will be considered used, and another GUC would be required to upgrade again to Delta One. The best strategy is probably to waitlist only for Delta One upgrades, and perhaps if the GUC is close to expiring or you don't expect to have another use for it, to add a request for a Premium Select upgrade close to departure if the Delta One upgrade hasn't yet cleared and/or the Delta One seat map looks very full.
  • Upgrades may be used for the SkyMiles member and up to one companion; The companion need not be in the same PNR, but must be traveling on the exact same flight as the GUC holder.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with
  • As of January 22, 2018, it is now officially possible to use a certificate for a companion but not for yourself, as long as you are traveling on the same flight as the companion -- for example if you are eligible to buy a business class ticket for business travel and want to bring your spouse by buying an economy ticket and upgrading them. It is not clear if you could upgrade your companion but not yourself. In the past the question has been raised of waiting for a complimentary medallion upgrade for the main member and then using a certificate for the companion, but now that companions for complimentary medallion upgrades are processed at the same priority as the main member, this is no longer a likely concern.

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade, but the flights must be bought on DL flight numbers initially (unless buying expensive Y, B, or M fares with KLM)
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1779666-guc-now-able-used-virgin-atlantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1857464-definitive-thread-use-sky-miles-upgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed (DL flight number), Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to G class (Upper Class). " Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australia’s Business Class.

Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-marketed and operated flight and booked in W, S or A class as well as customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class)"

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."




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Old Jan 7, 2019, 9:29 pm
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Originally Posted by TheHorta
I ran into an interesting conundrum last night while on with the DM desk (with a FANTASTIC agent). I was checking for GUC availability early this year for the IBC show in Amsterdam (September). There was plenty that would clear immediately (HSV>ATL>AMS), so we selected our flights (wife and I) and priced the fares. Each Y fare was ~$1700, not bad. The problem was that I’d priced a non-stop IAD>AMS in J on a KL 789 for $2900, plus $500 for HSV>IAD R/T. Suddenly, I was only saving $1900/pp and decided that $4000 was too little of a cost savings to burn 4 GUCs. So I paid for the J tix instead.

Is that nuts?

Last year, I burned my 2017 GUCs on LAX>SYD, which was $5000/pp, or a $10K genuine cost savings that would have otherwise come out of my pocket. This, by comparison, seemed to trivial.

I’ve also paid up for J on AF to TLV and J on KL to NBO, all within the next month, for the same reason — the J fares just didn’t seem to be worthy of burning GUCs.

Between my wife and I, we’ll have 12 GUCs in queue by the end of February.

Do do you just burn them when you need them, or do you wait to use them on more valuable or longer-haul flights?

Looking back, if we’d used them on all three TLV, NBO, and AMS flights, I probably would have saved $10-12K in total, but I’m hedging that I’ll be able to double that savings with other flights in the coming 12-18 months.
We'd never pay $10K out of pocket to upgrade, so for us it makes sense to "just burn them". Did that already this year for SEA - ATH with a horrendous two-stop itinerary on the way out and no guarantee on the domestic legs.

Why? Because our only other guaranteed international trip this year is to Vietnam and Cambodia, on the Cathay mistake fare plus SkyMiles and UR to get us back home. So we got what I'd consider is $1500 - $2000 per person in value (based on the travel dates, which are May... the paid fares were actually more like $4K per person so technically this is $4500 in "value" but again our willingness to pay cash has limits below that "value").

I expect all our legs will clear on these upgrades eventually btw, though I admit I can't assure that outcome till much closer to departure.
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Old Jan 8, 2019, 10:46 am
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I know that GUCs can be used for a companion on the same flight but on a different PNR. But if they're both waitlisted, would they clear together? Or separately at each person's status level? Thanks.
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Old Jan 8, 2019, 2:13 pm
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If on a different PNR, they will clear separately and based not on status but on time of GUC waitlisting.
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Old Jan 8, 2019, 3:55 pm
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Originally Posted by sky_priority
If on a different PNR, they will clear separately and based not on status but on time of GUC waitlisting.
Oh, if that's the case, that's second best to clearing together (since they were requested at the same time). Was worried the non-status person would be far after me on the list.

Thanks!
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Old Jan 8, 2019, 4:09 pm
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I thought I read a post that said if the GUC went to the gate then status became a factor?
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Old Jan 9, 2019, 9:15 am
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I don't think anyone actually knows what happens if it goes to the gate, it's just speculation.
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Old Jan 9, 2019, 4:02 pm
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GUC Success - honestly I am finding that I get better success just booking KLM flights and searching for Z fares. Did a mass search for D1 all over Asia and could not get confirmed into D1 on the A350.
Found open space on LAX-SFO-AMS-BKK, return is KUL-AMS-LAX. All Dl flight numbers V class outbound, X class return.

Found fare through matrix and booked through Delta.com. Confirmed GUC through twitter. Took about 1hr through Twitter agent to confirm upgrade.
GUCs expire end of the month. Called DM line and first agent said I could not use GUCs since travel date was past expiration.
If flight numbers are KLM and not DL, you need YBM fares.

I had better success having agents in international ticketing help me find open space as they understand the GUC rules better. DM agents seem to be hit or miss.

Update - Did some calculations - looks like this flight should net me 9.5k MQDs / 35k MQMs. Turned into almost a decent mileage run at 3.47cpm. (Fare was ~$1250)
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Old Jan 9, 2019, 5:55 pm
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GUCs are cleared before departure by status, and THEN time of request.

At the gate, it goes by the same priority as medallion upgrades.
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Old Jan 9, 2019, 5:57 pm
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Originally Posted by pvn
I don't think anyone actually knows what happens if it goes to the gate, it's just speculation.
Delta website specifically states that gate upgrades are processed using all the same factors as complimentary medallion upgrades, which is not the case before the gate.
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Old Jan 9, 2019, 6:28 pm
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I had a positive experience a couple nights ago with using a couple GUCs that were going to expire in April on an upcoming trip to BCN in March. I found a couple KL flights on EF that showed 9 open Z seats on the outbound out of LAX and 7 on the return to SFO so I pinged the Twitter team to have them check for availability on their end. Both Twitter agents that I dealt with were able to quickly confirm that there was open GUC space on all legs.

I called up the Diamond line and got a great agent who new exactly what to do to book the flights and process the upgrades. As she was working through the process, she mentioned that she was seeing quite a bit of availability a couple other flights, including the LAX-JFK-BCN flight (which included the domestic D1 segments) however, that flight didn't align with my schedule so I stuck with the KL flight.

All in all it was a much better experience than the last time I tried using a GUC on a KL flight and it seems that the agents are getting a little better at looking in the right places to find the upgrade space.
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Old Jan 11, 2019, 3:57 pm
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Success to JNB. I've been looking for GUC availability all year and have also found the easiest to get is via KLM flights - as long as you find the right agent, that is the struggle. I had 2 GUC's expiring the end of this month along with Delta vouchers expiring. I found a decent fare to JNB via ATL on the outbound and returning on KLM via AMS. KLM flights had Z class. The agent confirmed this, went to apply the GUC's then came back and said I had to book in Y class or higher. I told him I didn't believe that to be the case. He, thankfully, put me on hold and checked with a supervisor and was able to book me in the V class and save me a few thousand dollars I was wait-listed for the ATL - JNB leg and the GUC gods came through today for my flight tomorrow. Looking forward to a much more comfortable flight tomorow night and hoping for satellite TV so I can watch the Cowboys pull off a win .... that too is a big "Hope", but if a GUC can clear to JNB anything can happen
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Old Jan 11, 2019, 8:08 pm
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GUC Upgrade Priority

Hi All,

I am currently flying from SYD-LAX, and hopefully I can shed some light on how GUC’s are prioritized. I spent about 45 minutes on the phone with Delta this morning, and was after multiple agents telling me conflicting information, I was able to get a SLC supervisor to run through the upgrade certificate priority. Let me give a brief overview first and if you want to skip ahead to what I was told it will be the second paragraph below:

My wife and I booked DEN-DTW-ICN-DPS, DPS-SYD, and returning SYD-LAX-DEN. We booked approximately 7 months in advance, and the DTW-ICN and SYD-LAX flights were the only flights we requested my GUC’s on (since we didn’t want to burn it on a domestic leg). Korean operated the ICN-DPS leg and we couldn’t book a high enough fare class to use GUC’s on that flight. Virgin Australia operated the DPS-SYD leg and GUC’s weren’t eligible on that flight. For the DL flights we waitlisted on, I was told there was no one else on the waitlist for those flights at that time so we had a good shot at getting it, but the upgrades couldn’t clear at that time. We rolled the dice, and we were upgraded to Delta One Suites on the DTW-ICN A350 about 30 days after booking, but no luck on the 777-200LR from SYD-LAX (which as you know isn’t surprising being such a popular route with many business travelers). Fast forwarding to check in time from SYD-LAX, we checked in and saw that we were 1/2 of 6 on the standby list for D1 and there were 8 seats. The day of departure I looked again and we were 5 and 6 of 16 with 5 seats left in D1. Since I had heard that GUC’s were prioritized by time of request I called Delta to ask why we moved down the list:

The first agent I spoke to originally told me the priority was based on time of request only, which couldn’t of been true, because according to the agent I spoke to when we booked, we were the first ones to get put on the waitlist. So she put me on hold and came back and said that it was handled just like complimentary upgrades once you are put on the airport standby list. We were traveling in an H fare and I have the reserve card so I told her there should be no way that four other people were ahead of me on the list. She agreed and said she’d do more research. She came back with a supervisor on the line and he said that within the check in window, all RUC/GUC requests are prioritized by Medallion status and then “fare class grouping” which means ticket price, not individual fare class. So someone can buy a more expensive ticket and be in a lower fare class and still jump you on the upgrade list, but only once you get put on the airport standby list after check in. He said that before check in, upgrade certs are prioritized by when you were waitlisted. I would think that travelers that buy last minute expensive tickets would benefit greatly from this as their chances of upgrading with certs and a high fare would trump others that paid less and haven’t been cleared prior to check in. Luckily, somehow another D1 seat became available and my wife and I both got the upgrade to LAX, but from now on I will be getting the GUC confirmed at booking and not playing roulette on the waitlist, especially since the 777 retrofits will be reducing D1 inventory.

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Old Jan 12, 2019, 12:19 am
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Originally Posted by DenverDM
She came back with a supervisor on the line and he said that within the check in window, all RUC/GUC requests are prioritized by Medallion status and then “fare class grouping” which means ticket price, not individual fare class. So someone can buy a more expensive ticket and be in a lower fare class and still jump you on the upgrade list...
I think we were clear on everything else, but this last nugget is a little confusing -- the way I'm reading what you're saying is that someone can have a YBM fare that they paid $1,000 for 3 months ago, and someone can have a Q fare they paid $1,200 for last week and the *Q fare* would rank higher than the Y fare just because they PAID more?

Am I getting that point correctly? Because it sounds... well... wrong.
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 4:07 am
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Yes, that is what I was told. I had the same question and he didn’t know what the fare class groupings were but I would also highly doubt a Y fare would ever be less than a Q fare, especially on a transpacific route, but I guess stranger things have happened. Perhaps YBM is in its own grouping, but who really knows as it seems no one can ever get a straight answer from Delta and their website is misleading.
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Old Jan 12, 2019, 2:10 pm
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Posts: 5,848
Success to Spain. GUC available at time of booking (today) ATL-BCN on a Thursday night in October, MAD-ATL the following Thursday. Availability seemed fairly good. Was also offered routings via AMS with the TATL segment on DL metal. Both flights operated by 764 with no PS, so upgraded from a regular Economy fare.

A couple of days ago, I asked for GUC availability on any TPAC flight for the same period. Only one available at booking was MSP-HND, and then only one way. Was willing to depart ATL, DTW, MSP, LAX and fly to PEK, PVG, ICN, or TYO. TPAC was zeroed out. Today the question was going to be: where in Europe can I go using my certs? Spain was our first choice. Pleased it was there at time of booking.

I claimed the GUC's as my choice benefit AFTER confirming that there was u/g availability. Took about an hour for the cert's to show up in my wallet. Called back, availability still there, so booked it.
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