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Using Delta Global Upgrades


DL page: https://www.delta.com/us/en/skymiles/medallion-program/medallion-upgrades
(click or scroll to "Upgrade Certificates Overview" and expand the "Show Additional Details & Terms" sections to see T&C, especially for the specific conditions governing use on partner airlines)

"Global Upgrade Certificates, available exclusively for Diamond Medallion Members, offer upgrades on both international and domestic flights with Delta, and select flights with KLM, Air France, Virgin Atlantic, Virgin Australia, Korean Air and Aeromexico."

Delta offers Diamond Medallion members the benefit of up to 4 Global Upgrade Certificates (GUCs) per year, which each allow a one-way upgrade to business class/Delta One for one person on any route in the Delta network, as well as a limited number of partner flights under specific restricted circumstances described below. 4 GUCs is enough to upgrade the Diamond Medallion member on 2 round trips or 4 one-way trips, or the Diamond Medallion member plus one companion on 1 round trip or 2 one-way trips.

Choosing upgrades as a choice benefit
  • Upgrades are valid one year from the date of issue, usually the day of or day after they are selected in Choice Benefits -- so best to wait as long as possible to select them unless you have a specific use planned for them
  • All Diamond Medallions also receive a Platinum Medallion choice benefit, even if just renewing existing Diamond status in a year, so DMs could for example select 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 4 GUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefit, or 4 RUCs as their Platinum choice benefit and 8 more RUCs as one of their Diamond choice benefits
  • However, it is not possible to select 8 RUCs as one Diamond choice benefit and 4 GUCs as another, nor select 4 GUCs more than once for a single year's Diamond choice benefits -- so the most GUCs anyone can currently earn in a single year is 4
  • You may select your DM benefits at different times, so it is best to select fixed-expiration-date benefits (like gifting status or SkyClub memberships) as soon as possible, but wait until you have a specific use in mind to select upgrades, so that the expiration date is as far into the future as possible. This is especially important if you are waitlisting upgrades for a particular trip, since if the waitlist doesn't clear, a later expiration date will maximize the amount of time you have to try again to use them on a different trip.
  • For status earned based on flying in 2017, upgrades can be selected until the last day that status is valid, January 31, 2019, so they could possibly expire as late as January ~30, 2020 if they are selected as late as possible.
  • Upgrades can be used after you are no longer a Diamond Medallion as long as the upgrades are still valid, though non-DM-line phone agents will be less familiar with them, so they may be harder to use or run a higher risk of being processed incorrectly, so it may be worth booking your GUC flights before your DM status expires if possible.
  • All flights to be upgraded must be flown, not just requested, by the expiration date of the upgrade certificates, though there have been some examples of short extensions offered by phone agents (for example, to the end of the month of the expiration date) as long as the upgrade is able to be confirmed before the certificates expire. In this case it is important to push the agent to make sure the ticket is reissued right away, since it will not be possible to reissue the ticket after the GUC expires. You can tell if the ticket has been reissued because the ticket number on the booking will change from what it was when you originally booked in coach, and the GUC will be marked as "closed" in your wallet on Delta.com.

Finding upgrade space
  • Delta phone agents and the @Delta Twitter account can check for available upgrade space
  • There is no general way to check for available upgrade space online
  • However there is one exception where some flights appear to be able to be checked online: for Delta flights carrying a KLM code -- for example, most flights between the US and Europe -- ExpertFlyer.com (paid membership required) shows KLM upgrade space, and will show upgrade space for those KL-coded, DL-operated flights, which based on anecdotal evidence seems to often (but not always) correspond to upgrade space made available by Delta. This can be a way to check many dates and flights easily, but confirm with Delta that the upgrade space does in fact exist before making firm plans.
  • Upgrade space is not necessarily correlated with award space
  • If upgrade space is not available on your desired flight, you can waitlist, and it is possible the upgrade may clear before departure. If not your name should appear on the upgrade list at the gate. See next section for details.
  • Upgrade space is rarely seen in advance on busy, high-upgrade-demand routes like ATL-JNB and LAX-SYD.

Requesting an upgrade
  • You must call or Tweet at Delta to request an upgrade, they cannot be requested on the website
  • If upgrade space is available, the agent will process the upgrade immediately and you will be able to select business class seats
  • If the upgrade is confirmed in advance, your ticket will be reissued in business class at some point before the flight and you will receive a new itinerary email when this happens; occasionally the ticket does not get reissued and you will not be able to check in, but a quick call to Delta usually fixes this easily
  • Occasionally an email is sent to alert you if a waitlisted upgrade has cleared, but often the best indication is if a segment of your itinerary disappears entirely from Delta.com, which usually means the upgrade has cleared on that segment. Call Delta to have them process it so that it reappears in your itinerary, and you will be able to select business class seats.
  • There have been reports of upgrades coded incorrectly by agents -- unfortunately there is no way to know for sure if your upgrade is coded correctly, and requested upgrades seem to show up a few different ways on Delta.com, sometimes with an "upgrade requested" designation on the flight, and/or with a "phantom" duplicate flight in the seat maps which will not let you select seats
  • If an upgrade has not cleared by check-in time and you do not appear on the upgrade list on the Delta app or Delta.com, call to have an agent correct the upgrade
  • In certain airports where other airlines handle Delta's flights (particularly AMS), it is not officially possible to clear at the gate; KLM does process upgrades at the gate in AMS for certificates waitlisted 24 hours in advance of departure, but this is not an officially guaranteed benefit. To be safe make sure you have your GUC certificate numbers and redemption codes written down in case the KLM agents need this information.
  • If you are connecting, for example flying MCO-ATL-LHR, and upgrade space is not available on ATL-LHR, best practice is to waitlist on the ATL-LHR leg only, so as not to waste a global upgrade on the short MCO-ATL flight, and then add the upgrade request to MCO-ATL when/if ATL-LHR clears; most agents will understand this approach and may even proactively suggest it
  • If you have selected your choice benefits very recently (within the last 24-48 hours), the phone agent may not yet be able to see your upgrade codes, but you can read the codes to the agent from the My Wallet page on Delta.com
  • The priority order of GUCs, RUCs, mileage upgrades, and complimentary upgrades is not 100% clear, but it is known that GUCs and RUCs have higher priority than complimentary upgrades, and that GUCs and RUCs appear to have equal priority. It is listed on Delta.com that GUCs and RUCs clear first by medallion level and then by time of request, which is different from the upgrade priority used for complimentary upgrades (which is also listed on the website)

Other upgrade rules
  • Upgrades are valid on Delta flights on all economy fares except Basic Economy (E)
  • It is possible to request upgrades in one direction of a roundtrip only, for example if you had 4 US-Europe trips planned and only 4 GUCs, you might decide to upgrade the eastbound flights only as they are overnight flights and remain in economy for the westbound flights.
  • On flights operated with a Premium Select cabin, Delta has indicated that it will still be possible to use a GUC to upgrade directly from economy to Premium Select or to Delta One using the same number of GUCs. However, if an upgrade is cleared from economy to Premium Select, the GUC will be considered used, and another GUC would be required to upgrade again to Delta One. The best strategy is probably to waitlist only for Delta One upgrades, and perhaps if the GUC is close to expiring or you don't expect to have another use for it, to add a request for a Premium Select upgrade close to departure if the Delta One upgrade hasn't yet cleared and/or the Delta One seat map looks very full.
  • Upgrades may be used for the SkyMiles member and up to one companion; The companion need not be in the same PNR, but must be traveling on the exact same flight as the GUC holder.
  • Unlike AA and UA upgrades, DL upgrades cannot be gifted to someone whom the SkyMiles member is not traveling with
  • As of January 22, 2018, it is now officially possible to use a certificate for a companion but not for yourself, as long as you are traveling on the same flight as the companion -- for example if you are eligible to buy a business class ticket for business travel and want to bring your spouse by buying an economy ticket and upgrading them. It is not clear if you could upgrade your companion but not yourself. In the past the question has been raised of waiting for a complimentary medallion upgrade for the main member and then using a certificate for the companion, but now that companions for complimentary medallion upgrades are processed at the same priority as the main member, this is no longer a likely concern.

Using upgrades on KLM

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...grade-klm.html
  • "For travel on KLM-operated, Delta-marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by KLM, fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class are eligible to upgrade into Z class. For travel on KLM-operated flights marketed by AF, this certificate may be used to upgrade on published fares booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class into Z class. "
  • NOTE: some of the combinations above are only (relatively) recently eligible for GUCs. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.
  • In the course of processing the upgrade of a Delta-marketed, KLM-operated flight, Delta reissues the KLM flights on KLM flight numbers when they issue the upgrade, but the flights must be bought on DL flight numbers initially (unless buying expensive Y, B, or M fares with KLM)
  • It is not possible to waitlist for upgrade on KLM flights, nor to go to the airport upgrade list, so space must be available in advance in order for the upgrade to clear. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a KLM flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • KLM upgrade space can be checked on ExpertFlyer.com (requires a paid membership). ExpertFlyer also allows users to set alerts for particular fare classes becoming available, which could be useful in lieu of being able to waitlist -- you can set an ExpertFlyer alert for "Z" availability and then call Delta to grab the upgrade if you receive an ExpertFlyer alert that it becomes available.
  • KLM upgrade space on a single segment is different if you search that segment alone vs. if you search a connecting itinerary involving that segment. So if you are looking for KLM upgrades ORD-AMS-JNB, you need to search ORD-JNB in ExpertFlyer to see the true availability; even if there is space on ORD-AMS and AMS-JNB, if it Z space doesn't show up for ORD-JNB you won't be able to upgrade. Unfortunately this means that ExpertFlyer availability alerts, which can only be set on a segment-by-segment basis, are not useful for monitoring KLM upgrade availability on connecting flights.
  • In some cases, adding a DL domestic connecting flight can change KLM upgrade availability. For example ATL-AMS on KLM may show availability but MCO-ATL-AMS may not. Example. Unfortunately some more complex routings, such as forcing an extra connection to find KLM upgrade space (flying JFK-ORD-AMS-CPT instead of JFK-AMS-CPT), do not show up on ExpertFlyer so you are at the mercy of hopefully finding Delta agents who know what they're doing.
  • Bookings with KLM ticket numbers (starting in 074) can be upgraded using the same rules as bookings with Delta ticket numbers (starting in 006). Delta-operated, KLM-coded flights can be upgraded under the same rules as any other KLM-coded flight. Delta-coded, Delta-operated flights booked on a KLM ticket number can be upgraded the same as if they were booked on a Delta ticket number, so in any fare class other than E.
  • There have been numerous challenges with KLM upgrades, so be careful, be persistent, and make sure you request the upgrade within the no-risk cancellation window of the ticket so you can cancel if it doesn't work as expected.
  • More KLM upgrade reading: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6

Using upgrades on Virgin Atlantic

3-year-old thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1779666-guc-now-able-used-virgin-atlantic-vs.html
related, upgrading VS with SkyMiles (also requires G class, so the info may be useful too?): https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta-air-lines-skymiles/1857464-definitive-thread-use-sky-miles-upgrade-vs.html
  • "Valid on Delta-marketed (DL flight number), Virgin Atlantic-operated flights for use globally on published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class to G class (Upper Class). " Upgrading on Virgin-marketed (VS flight number) flights using GUCs is not possible.
  • Global Upgrades on Virgin Atlantic flights must be confirmed 24 hours prior to departure.
  • Global Upgrade Certificates may not be used to waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic-operated flight. Many agents will offer to put you on the waitlist, but putting you on the upgrade waitlist for a Virgin Atlantic flight will simply never clear so you're better off monitoring it yourself (see next bullets).
  • DL flight numbers are not available for most Virgin Atlantic flights to regions other than the US (for example LHR-JNB), so it is not possible to use GUCs on those flights.
  • Virgin Atlantic upgrade space appears to use the same availability as awards, so if a business class award is available for a Virgin Atlantic flight on Delta.com, it should be available for an upgrade (as long as that flight is booked on a DL flight number). If an award is not available, an upgrade is probably not available -- but if you notice any exceptions to this rule please share in the thread. You can also monitor G space using ExpertFlyer (see KLM section above).
  • Because G is the same code as Virgin Atlantic uses for award tickets, after you fly the tickets will register with Delta as having been awards and will not earn any miles. Watch your mileage earning carefully and you will likely have to call Delta and explain that it wasn't an award ticket but an upgrade from a paid coach ticket, and they will correct the mileage earning to be equivalent to what you would have earned on your original coach ticket.

Using upgrades on Virgin Australia

Valid on Delta-marketed, Virgin Australia-operated flights on published fares booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U class to Virgin Australia’s Business Class.

Using upgrades on Air France

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...20-onward.html

"For travel on Air France-operated flights marketed by Air France and booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class, customers can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by KLM, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, K, H, L, Q, T, N, R, or V class can upgrade into Z class (Business Class). For Air France-operated flights marketed by Delta, customers with a published fare booked in Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class can upgrade into A class (Premium Economy) or Z class (Business Class). In addition, customers traveling on an Air France-marketed and operated flight and booked in W, S or A class as well as customers traveling on an Air France-operated, Delta-marketed flight and booked in P, A, or G class can upgrade to Z class (Business Class)"

NOTE: GUC usage on AF used to be restricted to high fare classes only. Phone agents may not be familiar with the new rules, and may need to be gently pointed in the direction of the DL T&C on their own website.

Using upgrades on Korean (restricted to certain fare classes only)

Dedicated thread: https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ed-thread.html

"Valid on Delta-marketed, Korean Air-operated flights for use globally on Delta's published fares booked in Y or B class to Korean Air's Z class, or booked in M class to Korean Air's O class."

GUC usage on Korean requires the purchase of high fare classes, which may mean that it is cheaper to buy a discounted business class ticket than to buy an eligible coach fare and try to upgrade. Uniquely, it is possible to use GUCs to upgrade from business to first on Korean, but only if you buy the most expensive business class fares.

Using upgrades on Aeromexico

"For travel on Aeromexico operated, Delta marketed flights this certificate may be used to upgrade on Delta`s published fares booked in W, Y, B, M, H, Q, K, L, U, T, X or V class and all fare classes upgrade into Aeromexico`s O class."




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Old Jul 8, 2019, 10:09 pm
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Originally Posted by btonkid12345
Be careful...IAD-AMS is KL operated and there is no waitlist for non-DL operated flights

They can say they waitlisted you, but it won't stick and will cancel shortly after you get off the phone
Originally Posted by flyerCO
Great. One thing to point out. You'll never clear a waitlist of IAD-AMS. Waitlist are only for DL operated flights.
sorry, my bad....its iad-dtw-ams, all on dl operated flights....the iad-dtw sector is already upgraded & the dl operated dtw-ams sector is waitlisted....
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Old Jul 14, 2019, 10:26 am
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First time using GUCs, and had some pretty good luck.

TL;DR; Booked two seats in March 2020 IAD-AMS-FCO on KLM; return is FCO-JFK-DCA on DL all upgraded at booking.

Longer story:
Called a couple of times to research availability. Best prices had long layovers in JFK, so on a lark I asked about availability on KLM outbound from IAD. Once I heard that was available, I selected my GUC benefit. Within an hour, I could see my GUCs, but I expected that the DM representative would not. First representative was good, and got the tickets booked, but said that she could not pass it off to anyone to process the upgrade until the certificates were visible in their system. I asked if I could just read the numbers off to her, and she said that wouldn't work. I thanked her and planned to HUCA. I also reviewed the booking. All looked OK, I was able to upgrade to comfort+ (just in case) and select my seats on the KLM operated flights (just in case).

HUCA: The second rep had a better answer. He confirmed that he could process the upgrade as long as I could read to him the certificate number and redemption code. He processed it (and it did take a long time), let me select the seats and all is set.

I was really pleased to see the KLM segments re-issued with KLM codes in Z class. I'm anticipating that this will give me some good results for RDMs, MQMs and MQDs.

An additional perk was that I spent the two hours this took lounging in the pool. Made the wait easy....
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Old Jul 17, 2019, 12:33 pm
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Had my GUC successfully clear on KLM well in advance, and was reticketed into KLM Z class. Successfully flew, but miles didn't post, and after requesting credit was given credit as if I had flown a KLM fare with 5% MQD/25% miles earning as opposed to the expected 40/200%. Is this happening to other people, too, or did I just get unlucky?
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Old Jul 17, 2019, 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by krypttohk
Had my GUC successfully clear on KLM well in advance, and was reticketed into KLM Z class. Successfully flew, but miles didn't post, and after requesting credit was given credit as if I had flown a KLM fare with 5% MQD/25% miles earning as opposed to the expected 40/200%. Is this happening to other people, too, or did I just get unlucky?
Miles not crediting automatically happened to a friend of mine using GUCs on KLM recently (flight in late June) as well. Hopefully the gravy train hasn't been derailed...

If it's to your benefit, you should be able to fight to earn credit based on your original Delta coach ticket (with MQDs and RDMs based on ticket price) rather than the KLM coach fare they gave you credit for.
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Old Jul 17, 2019, 2:07 pm
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OK, this has been first batch of GUCs. After trying them right after I got them on a fare bought thru Delta Vacations and being told they don't work on exception fares, I was a little bummed. Then tried using the standby to Europe and ended up being last two at the top of the waitlist. I was beginning to question the value and expected them to go unused.

BUT three months prior to expiry, just booked tickets for a week in Tokyo. Fare was low $800 range. Used the GUCs, and now the wife and I will be sitting in the suites! So yes, I believe the GUCs have significant value if you can be a little flexible.
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Old Jul 17, 2019, 11:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Akiestar
That said, I'm excited to finally get my GUCs once I hit DM this July! I wonder how successful though are upgrades ex-LAX. Currently I'm thinking of using one for CPT-AMS-ATL-LAX in October and one for LAX-LHR on VS in November.
I can finally answer this!

Just got off the phone with a DL agent and I was able to score a confirmed upgrade for CPT-AMS-ATL-LAX! CPT-AMS-ATL is confirmed, while ATL-LAX (on the 77L) is waitlisted. Had to HUCA since the last agent I spoke to said that it's "very difficult" to score CPT upgrades in either direction (EF though showed healthy availability for CPT-AMS, but not AMS-CPT), but the next agent I talked to -- the one who I just got off the phone with -- was able to make it happen. I look forward to trying WBC and D1 for the first time!

Currently waitlisted though for LAX-DTW-PVG on DL, which I'm flying in early November. Hope that clears, although PVG-SEA-LAX is available and I can get an immediate confirmed upgrade should I choose to do so. I wonder though if it would be better to upgrade on the A350 or the A339?

Finally, I'm hoping to get LAX-LHR upgraded, but VS doesn't have inventory out yet and the agent said I should periodically call back to check.
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Old Jul 18, 2019, 7:58 pm
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Originally Posted by krypttohk
Had my GUC successfully clear on KLM well in advance, and was reticketed into KLM Z class. Successfully flew, but miles didn't post, and after requesting credit was given credit as if I had flown a KLM fare with 5% MQD/25% miles earning as opposed to the expected 40/200%. Is this happening to other people, too, or did I just get unlucky?
Yup ... it happened to me on one of my last flights AMS-CPT in May, while prior upgraded flights always posted as Z-class.
I did not want to make a fuss and alert anyone, because increased earning is not supposed to happen I guess.

My bad luck on that flight came in the form of a double GUC being applied for the same 2-leg-itinerary. I had to fight for weeks and even corporate denied over and over again to re-open the closed GUC.
Until I finally reached a knowledgeable and competent agent, willing to help me sort the mess out - it took some hours on the phone.
My persistence paid off and I had the last GUC re-opened - not in my account which showed the GUC as closed - but per email confirmation.
Hopefully it can be applied to an upcoming flight to SYD (waitlisted for now).
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Old Jul 18, 2019, 8:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Akiestar
I can finally answer this!

Just got off the phone with a DL agent and I was able to score a confirmed upgrade for CPT-AMS-ATL-LAX! CPT-AMS-ATL is confirmed, while ATL-LAX (on the 77L) is waitlisted. Had to HUCA since the last agent I spoke to said that it's "very difficult" to score CPT upgrades in either direction
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She was right - it's very difficult to score an upgrade since AMS-CPT-AMS flights are notoriously full - at least whenever I fly them. The Dutch LOVE their former colony - many vacationers have their second or third homes there and travel several times a year.

My post in the specific "Global Upgrade with KLM" thread:

Originally Posted by Travelomania
I just returned from a trip to Cape Town: LAX-SEA-AMS-CPT-AMS-ATL-LAX.
My GUC's for the Delta outbound legs cleared automatically without any issues a few days before departure.
I called in every day before departure to check on availability for the notoriously full - and often overbooked - legs AMS-CPT-AMS, but there was never availability. When I got to Lounge #52 at Schiphol airport on the outbound, I had approx. 65 minutes on the layover to find an agent who was willing to help me. Luck was with me and the very competent agent found the last available seat, called the designated desk for confirmation and was able to book for me. I had the Certificate number and Redemption code that was used for the prior legs ready and less than 45 minutes before departure I got the upgrade.
On the return leg CPT-AMS I was totally out of luck. While checking in early at CPT airport to check for availability, I was told that just minutes before the last two seats were sold. My seat thus stayed in Main cabin for CPT-AMS, since EC was already sold out months before departure. Oh well .....
The rest of the inbound itinerary on DL had been cleared well in advance before departure.
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Originally Posted by Akiestar
Currently waitlisted though for LAX-DTW-PVG on DL, which I'm flying in early November. Hope that clears, although PVG-SEA-LAX is available and I can get an immediate confirmed upgrade should I choose to do so. I wonder though if it would be better to upgrade on the A350 or the A339?
If you have to choose, my rule is always to take the sure thing.
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question for those who are waitlisted....does the system work the way its supposed to & the waitlist clears if & when availability comes up or do you guys call every now & then to check on availability????
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Old Jul 18, 2019, 11:33 pm
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question for those who are waitlisted....does the system work the way its supposed to & the waitlist clears if & when availability comes up or do you guys call every now & then to check on availability????
From the customer perspective there is no reliable way to tell whether a waitlist request was properly coded. I would check back periodically-to-frequently depending how close it is to the trip.
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Old Jul 18, 2019, 11:53 pm
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Originally Posted by Zorak
From the customer perspective there is no reliable way to tell whether a waitlist request was properly coded. I would check back periodically-to-frequently depending how close it is to the trip.
got it....3 out of the 4 sectors have already been upgraded....just one remains waitlisted....trip is a little under 2 months away....i guess i'll keep calling every couple of weeks to check....
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Old Jul 23, 2019, 4:41 am
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Originally Posted by Zorak
From the customer perspective there is no reliable way to tell whether a waitlist request was properly coded. I would check back periodically-to-frequently depending how close it is to the trip.
does the reservation show up differently if its properly coded????
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Old Jul 23, 2019, 9:27 am
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does the reservation show up differently if its properly coded????
No. Even if it does, doesn't mean it's properly coded.
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Originally Posted by flyerCO
No. Even if it does, doesn't mean it's properly coded.
got it....i guess i'll keep calling to check on availability....
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