BillyBaloney

Just how far would you go for a few more Skypesos?

http://www.courthousenews.com/2014/01/16/64608.htm

Sez_Who

This was actually reported a few day ago. No real news here, the same result happened with UA. Nevertheless, a good reminder for those who are quick to say that pax should sue airlines when they don't get intended results.

The only lawsuit that has real potential merit is a class action that challenges who actually owns these airline miles. The airlines claim they do but fact is, some are purchased by pax. If the court rules the airlines own them, we are DOA. OTOH, if we own them, it is the airlines who have serious problems.

Of course, it will take 10 yrs to get a final decision in something like this but it would be nice to have this resolved.

DeltaFan4Now

Wow. Extra miles for entering a holding pattern? That's... Nuts!

The "direct" flight mileage penalty, while a well known rule by the cognoscenti, is a good point though.

TravellingSalesman

Indeed... I wonder if the outcome would have been different if the plaintiff had focused on that issue, rather than weakening their position by mixing in the absurd claim that they should get miles according to the flight path.

cre95

Wouldn't it be a good enhancement to make it even simpler by calculating miles as start-to-finish? It would add an interesting twist to single-day MRs ... ATL-NYC-DTW-xxx-xxx-ATL ... leading to zero miles

SJC ORD LDR

Considering it's a privately run program, they can give credits however they see fit.

That's why I avoid direct flights at all times.

bloxomo

I believe TK already does it this way -- flying XXX-YYY-ZZZ earns you miles as if you flew XXX-ZZZ.

justhere

So for those more knowledgeable about legal stuff than I am, does the fact that Delta awards miles for mileage runs, even though they say it's not permitted, weaken their position that the T&C's apply or does it not make any difference?

I realize in this case, there has already been a ruling but just wondering if the plaintiff could have possibly used mileage runs to show that DL doesn't always uphold it's own T&C's.

SeoulGold

But it would be nice if the miles awarded for a flight were the same as the distance as reported in the flight details.

davetravels

Who's to say that someone is specifically on a mileage run? You can always say that you are handing someone some papers at the airport, and flying back.

I reported in another thread that, I booked a goofy 4-flight one-way int'l trip - and ditto on the return - and was somehow auto rebooked to a 2-flight itinerary each way. I just called up and was put back on the 4-flight itinerary - on the exact same flights I booked originally - no questions asked.

Yes, I know - I'm a gamer!

MikeMpls

The judge also cited this rarely-enforced technicality:

In theory, any combination of connecting flights could be reward with the same mileage as a "direct" flight, if a "direct" flight is available.

There are cheaper ways to earn miles than paying attorneys to pursue federal lawsuits. One of the flights she was complaining about took place last March, which means that this suit was resolved in <10 months, an amazingly short time for a federal suit. I'd bet if anyone pulled up the file on PACER, it would turn out to be a summary dismissal.

Meet the unsuccessful plaintiff: Wynette Kwok

She used to work for Walt Disney. FairyLand, here we come!

justhere

That was my point. DL doesn't know why you are flying so I was curious how having that seemingly non-enforceable part of the T&C's tied directly into the part about earning miles might affect things from a legal perspective.

KevinDTW

Yes -- more interesting would be to identify the lawyer(s) who filed this farkakte lawsuit.

tobegold

TK gives actual miles for segments flown.

djk7

It doesn't matter why you flying. Most customers fly round trips, although not on the same day, but again, that doesn't matter either. What matters are the destination(s) you are paying DL to get you to. In the first case above, I doubt the ticket is fared as ATL->ATL, one or more of the other cities in the itin are included in the fare basis for the ticket. DL is obligated to get you to those cities (to the extent that their COC actually obligates them to anything). Those cities would count for mileage calculation in any case. Other cities are connections that DL isn't required to get you to, in theory they could change the program and follow the TK example above and not include those in the mileage calculation (luckily for us, they don't exclude them).