Jan 13, 2014, 6:10 am
Last edit by: mnbp
As of May 1, 2014, Delta no longer provides status-based access to third party lounges (lounges operated neither by Delta nor by a SkyTeam partner) for passengers departing on a Delta-operated flight. Based on reports in this thread, this does not apply to passengers departing the airport they're in on a flight operated by a SkyTeam partner: all other SkyTeam partners continue to provide status-based access to third-party lounges to all SkyTeam Elite Plus members, including Delta elites. Access to third-party lounges is determined by the policy of the operating carrier of the flight departing the airport.
Nothing has changed for passengers flying in business or first class on Delta.
From the link provided in the OP:
SkyTeam Benefits
Third party-operated Lounges:
Latin America & the Caribbean:
Bogota, CO (BOG)
Caracas, VE (CCS)
Lima, PE (LIM)
Quito, EC (UIO)
Europe/Africa/Middle East:
Accra, GH (ACC)
Arlanda, SE (ARN)
Athens, GR (ATH)
Barcelona, ES (BCN)
Brussels, BE (BRU)
Copenhagen, DK (CPH)
Dakar, SN (DKR)
Dubaij, AE (DXB)
Dublin, IE (DUB)
Dusseldorf, DE (DUS)
Frankfurt, DE (FRA)
Lagos, NG (LOS)
Madrid, ES (MAD)
Malaga, ES (AGP)
Malpensa, IT (MXP)
Manchester, GB (MAN)
Moscow, RU (SVO)
Mumbai, IN (BOM)
Munich, DE (MUC)
Nice, FR (NCE)
Pisa, IT (PSA)
Roberts, LR (ROB)
Shannon, IE (SNN)
Tel Aviv, IL (TLV)
Zurich, CH (ZRH)
Asia Pacific:
Bangkok, TH (BKK)
Beijing, CN (PEK)
Fukuoka, JP (FUK)
Guam, GU (GUM)
Hong Kong, HK (HKG) access to VS (partner) lounge. This lounge IS available to STE+, despite VS not being a SkyTeam partner.
Nagoya, JP (NGO)
Osaka, JP (KIX)
Saipan, MP (SPN)
Shanghai, CN (PVG)
Singapore, SG (SIN)
Sydney, AU (SYD) (no longer relevant after opening of SkyTeam lounge in Dec 2014)
Tokyo (Haneda), JP (HND) DL promotion provides access to two TIAT lounges at HND through Oct 31, 2017. Promotion includes any SkyClub member traveling on any airline same-day flight, and all GM, PM and DM members traveling on any DL flight. Extension of Haneda Lounge Access Promotion
Nothing has changed for passengers flying in business or first class on Delta.
From the link provided in the OP:
SkyTeam Benefits
LOUNGE ACCESS
Effective May 1, 2014, all Delta third-party operated international lounges will become Business lounges. (6)
Effective May 1, 2014, all Delta third-party operated international lounges will become Business lounges. (6)
- On or after May 1, 2014, Delta SkyTeam Elite Plus passengers flying in the economy cabin will only have access to DL Sky Clubs and SkyTeam Lounges.
- Passengers must be traveling in Business Class to have access to Third Party Lounges.
Third party-operated Lounges:
Latin America & the Caribbean:
Bogota, CO (BOG)
Caracas, VE (CCS)
Lima, PE (LIM)
Quito, EC (UIO)
Europe/Africa/Middle East:
Accra, GH (ACC)
Arlanda, SE (ARN)
Athens, GR (ATH)
Barcelona, ES (BCN)
Brussels, BE (BRU)
Copenhagen, DK (CPH)
Dakar, SN (DKR)
Dubaij, AE (DXB)
Dublin, IE (DUB)
Dusseldorf, DE (DUS)
Frankfurt, DE (FRA)
Lagos, NG (LOS)
Madrid, ES (MAD)
Malaga, ES (AGP)
Malpensa, IT (MXP)
Manchester, GB (MAN)
Moscow, RU (SVO)
Mumbai, IN (BOM)
Munich, DE (MUC)
Nice, FR (NCE)
Pisa, IT (PSA)
Roberts, LR (ROB)
Shannon, IE (SNN)
Tel Aviv, IL (TLV)
Zurich, CH (ZRH)
Asia Pacific:
Bangkok, TH (BKK)
Beijing, CN (PEK)
Fukuoka, JP (FUK)
Guam, GU (GUM)
Hong Kong, HK (HKG) access to VS (partner) lounge. This lounge IS available to STE+, despite VS not being a SkyTeam partner.
Nagoya, JP (NGO)
Osaka, JP (KIX)
Saipan, MP (SPN)
Shanghai, CN (PVG)
Singapore, SG (SIN)
delta cutting access to many of the international lounges
Jan 12, 2014, 4:56 am
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DAL is talking about BusinessElite Passengers and Delta SkyTeam Elite Plus Economy Passengers.
For instance AF or KLM does not have BusinessElite, but La Premiere, Bussiness, World Business Class or Europe Business Class and for codeshare passengers, lounge access regulations of the operating carrier apply. As a pax operating carrier has a contract with a lounge. Would pax be flying on a different Skyteam airline, that contract would not apply.
Furthermore when travelling with KLM/AF as a DM/PM/GM i've been 'pointed/guided' to 'their' lounges even if there was a lounge for DAL flights. In most places in the world, I was admitted to the lounge of my operating carrier, even if contracted...but it is confusing as SkyTeam lounge access rules only apply to lounges operated by SkyTeam or a SkyTeam-member airline. Contract lounges are not included as a ST perk so dunno what those carriers are going to do after 1 May 2014.
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Jan 12, 2014, 5:55 am
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No, it's an independent lounge, not operated by any airline.
If you mean the SkyView lounge on the mezzanine level over the bookstore in T1, it's in PP.
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Jan 12, 2014, 6:08 am
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This also seems like it could be a benefit reduction for DL elites flying from most continental airports in Europe that are served by AF-KL flights and/or AZ flights, if the contract lounge access books are revised to eliminate DL SkyTeam ElitePlus customers in economy class from accessing those lounges when flying AF/KL/AZ/SU.
I wouldn't be shocked if the big whigs in SkyTeam are considering a push for a three-tier elite system in the alliance in order to cut costs for the operating carriers and to cut benefits for frequent flyers.
I wouldn't be shocked if the big whigs in SkyTeam are considering a push for a three-tier elite system in the alliance in order to cut costs for the operating carriers and to cut benefits for frequent flyers.
Jan 12, 2014, 6:09 am
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What I find most interesting about this is all the questions that have been raised and all the confusion caused, and yet, not one DL rep has come on here to clarify these issues.
Jan 12, 2014, 6:23 am
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This thread started at 3:24pm ET on a Saturday. It's now Sunday morning. While I have 0% expectation of the official DL posters actually contributing useful information to any thread on this board, I'd at least wait 1 business day before being surprised that they haven't chimed in.
Jan 12, 2014, 6:23 am
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This also seems like it could be a benefit reduction for DL elites flying from most continental airports in Europe that are served by AF-KL flights and/or AZ flights, if the contract lounge access books are revised to eliminate DL SkyTeam ElitePlus customers in economy class from accessing those lounges when flying AF/KL/AZ/SU.
I wouldn't be shocked if the big whigs in SkyTeam are considering a push for a three-tier elite system in the alliance in order to cut costs for the operating carriers and to cut benefits for frequent flyers.
I wouldn't be shocked if the big whigs in SkyTeam are considering a push for a three-tier elite system in the alliance in order to cut costs for the operating carriers and to cut benefits for frequent flyers.
Jan 12, 2014, 6:25 am
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The list I saw include SVO, but AFAIK DL uses the SU lounge there, or at least tries to do so when SU isn't preventing this and claiming that it's partners aren't paying.
Jan 12, 2014, 6:25 am
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I'll admit it's been a few months since I've been there, but I'm pretty sure the lounge in IST is not skyteam... it serves them all, but lots of other airlines too.
I'm sure someone will be passing through soon to confirm, or I can check next month and report back.
I'm sure someone will be passing through soon to confirm, or I can check next month and report back.
Jan 12, 2014, 6:27 am
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Jan 12, 2014, 6:34 am
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This thread started at 3:24pm ET on a Saturday. It's now Sunday morning. While I have 0% expectation of the official DL posters actually contributing useful information to any thread on this board, I'd at least wait 1 business day before being surprised that they haven't chimed in.
Jan 12, 2014, 6:34 am
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To me, the sad impact of this is that it's on top of AF and KLM refusing to make business class award and upgrade space available to DL passengers. Many people spend DL miles for BE TATL flights and accept intraEU coach connections because nothing else is available. Now that strategy will mean no lounge access except at AMS and CDG unless one has PP and even then, the PP lounge might be far from SkyTeam gates or otherwise inferior to these contract lounges for business class passengers.
OTOH, I always had the impression that at some airports, lounges or better lounges were provided for business class passengers or business class passengers who were also high tier elites. IIRC PMNW did this at some outstations. I remember being given a choice of lounges with this explanation.
OTOH, I always had the impression that at some airports, lounges or better lounges were provided for business class passengers or business class passengers who were also high tier elites. IIRC PMNW did this at some outstations. I remember being given a choice of lounges with this explanation.
Jan 12, 2014, 6:48 am
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I'll admit it's been a few months since I've been there, but I'm pretty sure the lounge in IST is not skyteam... it serves them all, but lots of other airlines too.
I'm sure someone will be passing through soon to confirm, or I can check next month and report back.
I'm sure someone will be passing through soon to confirm, or I can check next month and report back.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...k-airport.html
Prior to this, I know DL, AF, and KL used one of the 3rd party lounges.
Jan 12, 2014, 6:55 am
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To me, the sad impact of this is that it's on top of AF and KLM refusing to make business class award and upgrade space available to DL passengers. Many people spend DL miles for BE TATL flights and accept intraEU coach connections because nothing else is available. Now that strategy will mean no lounge access except at AMS and CDG unless one has PP and even then, the PP lounge might be far from SkyTeam gates or otherwise inferior to these contract lounges for business class passengers.
Jan 12, 2014, 7:02 am
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Norway has no PP lounges. There's also none at Naples.