What date will AS and DL announce that their partnership will end?
Jan 25, 2014, 2:47 am
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When AS first launched OGG service, they used UA 
Originally Posted by ND76
DGS is AS's contractor at OGG. Interestingly, at DCA, where Alaska uses one of Delta's gates (Gate 18), AS uses Worldwide Flight Services, which is the contractor for Spirit at DCA. AS appeared to use Menzies exclusively at PDX and at SEA.
Feb 6, 2014, 5:58 pm
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Heard a rumor from the land of Delta that this is how the partnership got to where it is today:
1. DL approached AS about having an exclusive partnership with DL
2. AS said no
3. DL said, fine, then we're coming to SEA
4. And so the spat began
1. DL approached AS about having an exclusive partnership with DL
2. AS said no
3. DL said, fine, then we're coming to SEA
4. And so the spat began
Feb 6, 2014, 6:07 pm
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OK, even I am starting to doubt my predicted date.
Feb 6, 2014, 9:18 pm
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Never.
DL and AS have been partners for over 21 years and will continue to do so. This relationship started with Northwest and Horizon.
I do appreciate DL taking a firm stand with the sponsoring the Seattle community and taking control of partnerships like with the Seattle Seahawks whereas AS had to settle for Russell Wilson as their "Chief Football Officer", haha.
I think people forget they are formidable competitors and DL's SEA GM is going to help put Delta metal where it makes sense.
If you listened to Brad Tilden on a more recent earnings call, AS took the emotions out of the equation as a reaction. Not everything AS is doing is perfect either. Removal of 737NGs from the fleet to the projected removal of mainline aircraft in markets like ANC-FAI to more frequency with the Q. A lot of mumblings about that, but the market up there already sees Dash-8s with Era and smaller props.
Sure they are operating at an arms length partnership now and that is perfectly okay. AS can't really hurt DL. Now please enter markets like SEA-EUG, SEA-BOI, SEA-GEG. Whoops, did I drop the business plan down on the table?
DL and AS have been partners for over 21 years and will continue to do so. This relationship started with Northwest and Horizon.
I do appreciate DL taking a firm stand with the sponsoring the Seattle community and taking control of partnerships like with the Seattle Seahawks whereas AS had to settle for Russell Wilson as their "Chief Football Officer", haha.
I think people forget they are formidable competitors and DL's SEA GM is going to help put Delta metal where it makes sense.
If you listened to Brad Tilden on a more recent earnings call, AS took the emotions out of the equation as a reaction. Not everything AS is doing is perfect either. Removal of 737NGs from the fleet to the projected removal of mainline aircraft in markets like ANC-FAI to more frequency with the Q. A lot of mumblings about that, but the market up there already sees Dash-8s with Era and smaller props.
Sure they are operating at an arms length partnership now and that is perfectly okay. AS can't really hurt DL. Now please enter markets like SEA-EUG, SEA-BOI, SEA-GEG. Whoops, did I drop the business plan down on the table?
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Feb 7, 2014, 5:21 am
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DL and SQ has a long partnership, in fact one of the earliest partnerships in the industry. That didn't prevent the ending of the relationship several years ago, so I'm not convinced that the fact that DL and AS have been partners for 21 years is an argument that it will continue.
Feb 7, 2014, 6:53 am
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DL and SQ has a long partnership, in fact one of the earliest partnerships in the industry. That didn't prevent the ending of the relationship several years ago, so I'm not convinced that the fact that DL and AS have been partners for 21 years is an argument that it will continue.
Feb 7, 2014, 7:14 am
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On a flight I just took the FAs began discussing this topic so I picked up some intelligence. Apparently DL handles AS baggage in SEA, but will no longer do so as of March 1. Also, among the front-line staff it is apparently common knowledge that RA is "going after" AS and "does not like codeshares."
Feb 8, 2014, 12:45 am
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DL and SQ has a long partnership, in fact one of the earliest partnerships in the industry. That didn't prevent the ending of the relationship several years ago, so I'm not convinced that the fact that DL and AS have been partners for 21 years is an argument that it will continue.
Feb 9, 2014, 1:26 am
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DL is in the position to do what it wants, when it wants with the $$$ it is making every quarter. If you haven't realized that, you've been drinking too much kool-aid. The battles now are to pluck the HVCs from United, AA, and AS. Plus keeping the herd from going to the other side.
I still say AS-DL will never let their agreement end. It is very profitable for both sides regardless of the collusion in markets. People thought SEA-PDX was the final straw, now with JNU it is just a matter of time until DL planes will take advantage of AS's downsizing of Intra-Alaska routes.
Feb 9, 2014, 7:13 am
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DL and SQ has a long partnership, in fact one of the earliest partnerships in the industry. That didn't prevent the ending of the relationship several years ago, so I'm not convinced that the fact that DL and AS have been partners for 21 years is an argument that it will continue.
Then, before Delta and Air France got together, they had an alliance called "Atlantic Excellence" which included Delta, Swissair, Sabena and Austrian. I used to see a Sabena airliner at ATL quite often.
Feb 9, 2014, 7:39 am
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I still say AS-DL will never let their agreement end. It is very profitable for both sides regardless of the collusion in markets. People thought SEA-PDX was the final straw, now with JNU it is just a matter of time until DL planes will take advantage of AS's downsizing of Intra-Alaska routes.
For me, when I travel to the west, and need to go from California to the northwest, I book an AS flight. I imagine that there are many others like me.
I look at the Seattle and Salt Lake City battles between DL and AS as follows--these are two markets "where the money is". Why wouldn't both airlines go after customers in both places?
Feb 9, 2014, 8:46 am
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Feb 9, 2014, 9:34 am
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AS earns more money from its relationship with DL than it does from its relationship with AA. I saw something which I can't find a link to that indicated that AS's annual income from its relationship with DL was around $400 million while its relationship with AA brought in about $250 million in annual revenue (out of something like $4.25 billion in annual revenues).
For me, when I travel to the west, and need to go from California to the northwest, I book an AS flight. I imagine that there are many others like me.
I look at the Seattle and Salt Lake City battles between DL and AS as follows--these are two markets "where the money is". Why wouldn't both airlines go after customers in both places?
For me, when I travel to the west, and need to go from California to the northwest, I book an AS flight. I imagine that there are many others like me.
I look at the Seattle and Salt Lake City battles between DL and AS as follows--these are two markets "where the money is". Why wouldn't both airlines go after customers in both places?