Delta announces new international Y benefits, 777 changes
Dec 16, 2013, 10:11 pm
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That isn't a "new" thing. Only thing that is "new" is the reduction of 7 C seats on the T7 fleet.
Dec 16, 2013, 10:12 pm
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The A330s are also losing BE seats as they're reconfigured.
Dec 16, 2013, 10:14 pm
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Actually none of the 76Zs ever had flatbeds before the mods. DL planned to have 25J/200Y on the plane from the get go. All of them used to have cradles and were a mix of the the 76Gs and 76Us. So DL never modded a 767 to have flatbeds and then pulled out seats after the flatbed mod.
Delta has three fleets before the flat beds the 76T(7) 76G(6) and 76L (46)
Dec 16, 2013, 10:51 pm
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I've noticed the water service in Y has been very spotty this year. Related?
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Dec 17, 2013, 2:04 am
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May I ask where you are getting this information?
There have been numerous contribution by yourself on the 330 mod thread where there has been no discussion of losing BE seats in the reconfiguration.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...thread-31.html
According to both the Delta website and SeatGuru...the number of BE seats are the same on the 333's and a gain of 2 seats on the 332's.
330-200 (332) --> 32 sleeper seats
330-200 (3L2) --> 34 flat-bed seats
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...0-200-332.html
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...0-200-3l2.html
330-300 (333) --> 34 sleeper seats
330-300 (3L3) --> 34 flat-bed seats
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...0-300-333.html
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...0-200-3l3.html
Looks like they are gaining 2 BE seats on the 332's and remaining the same on the 333's.
There have been numerous contribution by yourself on the 330 mod thread where there has been no discussion of losing BE seats in the reconfiguration.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delta...thread-31.html
According to both the Delta website and SeatGuru...the number of BE seats are the same on the 333's and a gain of 2 seats on the 332's.
330-200 (332) --> 32 sleeper seats
330-200 (3L2) --> 34 flat-bed seats
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...0-200-332.html
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...0-200-3l2.html
330-300 (333) --> 34 sleeper seats
330-300 (3L3) --> 34 flat-bed seats
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...0-300-333.html
http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...0-200-3l3.html
Looks like they are gaining 2 BE seats on the 332's and remaining the same on the 333's.
Dec 17, 2013, 6:16 am
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IIRC, the LRs had lie-flats first and from delivery. The ERs had recliner seats until refurbed a couple of years ago (2010-11 IIRC).
Dec 17, 2013, 6:56 am
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No, the 76Z fleet is the fleet Delta is speaking of. Premod all of Delta's 767 has 36C (minus the handful of 76G aircraft) Now ~half the 76 fleet will be at 25ish seats.
That isn't a "new" thing. Only thing that is "new" is the reduction of 7 C seats on the T7 fleet.
That isn't a "new" thing. Only thing that is "new" is the reduction of 7 C seats on the T7 fleet.
But this is interesting. From Glen Hauenstein just 6 days ago:
What is cost that's spilling at the low-end even on the peak days and then turning those into more coach seats, and I think that's where we've come
out with two configuration changes to our international wide-body fleet. One of which we're in the middle of which is, in densifying the subfleet
to the 767s to go from 36 to 22 upfront, and adding about 20 coach in that transaction.:
http://ir.delta.com/files/doc_presen...2020131211.pdf
Interesting that Glen says 22, and not 25. So while they are not pulling seats out of newly reconfigured 767s, there is still a significant reduction in Delta's J seating capacity overall.
Another reference to removing 14 seats:
http://www.detroitnews.com/article/2...me-global-jets
Here's the full investor's day presentation if anybody is interested:
http://ir.delta.com/files/doc_presen...esentation.pdf
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Dec 17, 2013, 7:35 am
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Don't know about you, but I find it comforting to come to this board and read the same complaints. Again. And again. And again. Even better when, as with MSPe, they use the same exact language every time.
Honestly, I am most curious about what MSPe will have to complain about after the last 767-300 is done. My guess is that she will complain about the 767-300s for another couple of years out of habit, but who knows...
Honestly, I am most curious about what MSPe will have to complain about after the last 767-300 is done. My guess is that she will complain about the 767-300s for another couple of years out of habit, but who knows...
Dec 17, 2013, 7:40 am
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I read all of the post about how much better that Awful Airline from Texas is. I have been down this road with the kids in Tempe and I honestly did not believe the warnings that we were all given by the flyers who had experienced their exceptional management style at American West before the merger with US.
Doug Parker has true disdain for frequent flyers and their are numerous public statements on record to that effect. When the kids get finished, those who are so vocal now about how much better AA is will look fondly back on these days as they have no idea what the kids are getting ready to do the airline and their program..........
Doug Parker has true disdain for frequent flyers and their are numerous public statements on record to that effect. When the kids get finished, those who are so vocal now about how much better AA is will look fondly back on these days as they have no idea what the kids are getting ready to do the airline and their program..........
Dec 17, 2013, 7:47 am
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Dec 17, 2013, 9:19 am
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By this logic you might as well stop J class altogether.
Dec 17, 2013, 10:11 am
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"...and also to truncate the lowest business fares, which, quite honestly, are not that profitable for us."
Dec 17, 2013, 11:13 am
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Dec 17, 2013, 11:21 am
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Most of the time tpac Z fares that I see are higher than that, especially on the routes that use the 777.
Dec 17, 2013, 11:27 am
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Might as well remove them all then, since the competition seems to be able to fly profitably at those fares....