FO on Non-Rev, BFUG?
Oct 7, 2013, 12:37 pm
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I think there's some terminologies issues here. If OP is already confirmed in an EC seat (assuming on either a purchased regular ticket or "Fly Confirmed for Less" ticket), he/she is eligible for BFUG and that is NOT a nonrev (NRSA) ticket, it's treated the same as any other revenue ticket and passenger.
If on a "Fly Confirmed for Even Less" ticket, still NOT a nonrev (NRSA), but also not eligible for BFUG as far as I know, as well as mileage accrual, etc.
If this was a true NRSA/non-rev situation, OP wouldn't have a seat assignment or even know if he/she was on the flight until departure date/time.
MSPeconomist, my comment was in reference to your implication that NRSA (again, Non-rev space available standby travel) has varying fees based on the cabin one is seated in, which isn't true and to my knowledge has never been true on DL. Other carriers (cough, US, UA, AA...) may choose to shake a few extra dollars out of their employees for premium cabin travel, but DL isn't one, be it for their own employees, ZED, buddies, etc. ^
If on a "Fly Confirmed for Even Less" ticket, still NOT a nonrev (NRSA), but also not eligible for BFUG as far as I know, as well as mileage accrual, etc.
If this was a true NRSA/non-rev situation, OP wouldn't have a seat assignment or even know if he/she was on the flight until departure date/time.
MSPeconomist, my comment was in reference to your implication that NRSA (again, Non-rev space available standby travel) has varying fees based on the cabin one is seated in, which isn't true and to my knowledge has never been true on DL. Other carriers (cough, US, UA, AA...) may choose to shake a few extra dollars out of their employees for premium cabin travel, but DL isn't one, be it for their own employees, ZED, buddies, etc. ^
IIRC certain employees (or sometimes employees traveling for certain business purposes) are allowed by DL to fly confirmed in FC for DL company business. Would this not also be considered nonrev (but again not NRSA)? If so, there would probably be some internal accounting within DL that would "charge" more for FC than coach confirmed travel.
Oct 7, 2013, 12:49 pm
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Is there not a FC version of Fly Confirmed for Less?
IIRC certain employees (or sometimes employees traveling for certain business purposes) are allowed by DL to fly confirmed in FC for DL company business. Would this not also be considered nonrev (but again not NRSA)? If so, there would probably be some internal accounting within DL that would "charge" more for FC than coach confirmed travel.
IIRC certain employees (or sometimes employees traveling for certain business purposes) are allowed by DL to fly confirmed in FC for DL company business. Would this not also be considered nonrev (but again not NRSA)? If so, there would probably be some internal accounting within DL that would "charge" more for FC than coach confirmed travel.
Yes some staff have that privilege (some have even greater privileges). IDK about the internal accounting process for NRPS/COBUS trips, so you could very well be right regarding this class of service difference in bookkeeping.
Oct 7, 2013, 1:28 pm
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I guess I distinguish between nonrev and NRSA. I would call the Fly Confirmed for (Even) Less tickets nonrev, but obviously not NRSA because they are confirmed space rather than standby. (I would also consider NRPS to be nonev, but again obviously not NRSA.) Is there not a FC version of Fly Confirmed for Less?
IIRC certain employees (or sometimes employees traveling for certain business purposes) are allowed by DL to fly confirmed in FC for DL company business. Would this not also be considered nonrev (but again not NRSA)? If so, there would probably be some internal accounting within DL that would "charge" more for FC than coach confirmed travel.
IIRC certain employees (or sometimes employees traveling for certain business purposes) are allowed by DL to fly confirmed in FC for DL company business. Would this not also be considered nonrev (but again not NRSA)? If so, there would probably be some internal accounting within DL that would "charge" more for FC than coach confirmed travel.
I suspect that the FCFL/FCFEL programs are Delta's way around offering discounts through Delta.com for employees... I'd be willing to bet that it's just a neater and cleaner way to handle things instead of coupon codes etc.
Oct 7, 2013, 1:45 pm
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FCFL and FCFEL are essentially the same, they are both "positive space", revenue tickets, with the only exception being that FCFEL doesn't accrue miles and is more restricted- akin to the difference between a YBM (FCFL) and a HQK (FCFEL) fare. I don't know what buckets they actually book into however.
I suspect that the FCFL/FCFEL programs are Delta's way around offering discounts through Delta.com for employees... I'd be willing to bet that it's just a neater and cleaner way to handle things instead of coupon codes etc.
I suspect that the FCFL/FCFEL programs are Delta's way around offering discounts through Delta.com for employees... I'd be willing to bet that it's just a neater and cleaner way to handle things instead of coupon codes etc.
Oct 7, 2013, 1:50 pm
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FCFL and FCFEL are essentially the same, they are both "positive space", revenue tickets, with the only exception being that FCFEL doesn't accrue miles and is more restricted- akin to the difference between a YBM (FCFL) and a HQK (FCFEL) fare. I don't know what buckets they actually book into however.
I suspect that the FCFL/FCFEL programs are Delta's way around offering discounts through Delta.com for employees... I'd be willing to bet that it's just a neater and cleaner way to handle things instead of coupon codes etc.
I suspect that the FCFL/FCFEL programs are Delta's way around offering discounts through Delta.com for employees... I'd be willing to bet that it's just a neater and cleaner way to handle things instead of coupon codes etc.
Oct 7, 2013, 2:14 pm
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I've seen FCFL fares booked into L & U. I agree w your earlier comment, some folks seem to define the terminology in different ways. Personally, I do not consider FCFL/FCFEL nonrev travel in that they are confirmed tickets, with assigned seats, and no distinguishing notations on your BP for the looky-loos on the quest to find Shena. Not to mention, they eliminate the stress related to nonrev/NRSA (standby) travel, so in my mind they are very different animals. Though I would use the terms nonrev/NRSA interchangeably, nonrev just being a shortened version of non-revenue space available...in the way I would typically use it, that is.
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If I had to guess I would say MSPEconomist is correct. I could tell you that without even reading what he wrote because he's almost never wrong (and trust me I fact check a ton). I would honestly trust what he says without even verifying it. Perhaps you are just misinterprating what he's writing.
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If I had to guess I would say MSPEconomist is correct. I could tell you that without even reading what he wrote because he's almost never wrong (and trust me I fact check a ton). I would honestly trust what he says without even verifying it. Perhaps you are just misinterprating what he's writing.
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You're assuming MSPeconomist is a he...
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In about 2003 on NW I got an upgrade + companion--I was a Silver and the two of us were on award tickets. The plane was almost empty (Easter Saturday) so I sense the GA used what she deemed appropriate discretion.
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