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Sep 27, 2013, 2:03 pm
#106
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"Illogical nonsense"? 
That's a funny way to try to characterize facts considered inconvenient. Such attempted characterization is logical nonsense or illogical nonsense? 
AA has AAnytime awards and Mile SAAver awards, with the former 48 ConUS roundtrip award being 50k and the latter being 25k. Which one is it that AA calls the "standard" award?
That's a funny way to try to characterize facts considered inconvenient. Such attempted characterization is logical nonsense or illogical nonsense? AA has AAnytime awards and Mile SAAver awards, with the former 48 ConUS roundtrip award being 50k and the latter being 25k. Which one is it that AA calls the "standard" award?
Sep 27, 2013, 5:48 pm
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Sep 27, 2013, 6:19 pm
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Sep 27, 2013, 10:48 pm
#111
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Quote:
Originally Posted by keloutwest
Actually I'm dead serious. Load factors may be at a record, but that says nothing about what potential there is for Delta should they introduce a competitive redemption program. I went with Chase instead of Amex because I realized that every time I wanted to fly somewhere free, DL didn't have low (i mean Saver)available whereas UA did. I fly paid DL for the better experience and maintain my plat status only, but use my CC points and fly UA or *A.
So DL is losing the business of flying passengers for free? That would seem to be intentional, no?
Originally Posted by keloutwest
Actually I'm dead serious. Load factors may be at a record, but that says nothing about what potential there is for Delta should they introduce a competitive redemption program. I went with Chase instead of Amex because I realized that every time I wanted to fly somewhere free, DL didn't have low (i mean Saver)available whereas UA did. I fly paid DL for the better experience and maintain my plat status only, but use my CC points and fly UA or *A.
So DL is losing the business of flying passengers for free? That would seem to be intentional, no?
Sep 28, 2013, 12:48 am
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Ha. I've no doubt that partner awards will soon be quietly repriced to the new "Standard" level. But with great fanfare, we'll be told of a great enhancement of increased AF award availability, as a result of an even closer partnership.
Sep 28, 2013, 5:22 am
#113
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Sep 28, 2013, 7:22 am
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2) All three legacies seem to have similar ratios of redemption pax to cash pax at around 8%, which further weakens support for the argument that DL lags in terms of mileage sales. I would also be interested in your case for DL increasing that ratio in order to drive incremental sales of mileage.
3) Your assumption that all FF redemptions are marginal to cash purchases seems a bit dubious to me, though I recognize that the airlines argue the same to their investors. AA, for example, makes explicit claims that FF redemptions don't crowd out cash purchases. Would airlines go to the trouble of making such claims if the revenue from a mileage redemption (on average) were equal to or greater than the revenue from a cash purchase? In other words, would DL prefer to be DL in your original statement (the airline you pay cash to fly) or UA (the airline from whom you purchase your ticket indirectly via your credit card company)?
Sep 28, 2013, 10:07 am
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I think I will status challenge with United next year, turn in my Delta Diamond pass and see what happens next. I have logged enough miles on Delta to be a permanent Gold so what is the point in continuing with an airline that consistently disappoints in its "loyalty" program
Sep 28, 2013, 4:45 pm
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I think I will status challenge with United next year, turn in my Delta Diamond pass and see what happens next. I have logged enough miles on Delta to be a permanent Gold so what is the point in continuing with an airline that consistently disappoints in its "loyalty" program
Sep 28, 2013, 9:39 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso (Warning: Language)
Sep 28, 2013, 9:47 pm
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ilMx7k7mso (Warning: Language)
Sep 29, 2013, 9:12 am
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This is already working on me...
I recently booked round trip to Rome as Low-Medium...kept thinking I should go back and see if I can get Low-Low.
Now that I know what I really have is Saver-Standard, I feel happy that I got one leg below Standard, instead of upset that I got one leg above Low
I recently booked round trip to Rome as Low-Medium...kept thinking I should go back and see if I can get Low-Low.
Now that I know what I really have is Saver-Standard, I feel happy that I got one leg below Standard, instead of upset that I got one leg above Low
Sep 29, 2013, 9:49 am
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This is already working on me...
I recently booked round trip to Rome as Low-Medium...kept thinking I should go back and see if I can get Low-Low.
Now that I know what I really have is Saver-Standard, I feel happy that I got one leg below Standard, instead of upset that I got one leg above Low
I recently booked round trip to Rome as Low-Medium...kept thinking I should go back and see if I can get Low-Low.
Now that I know what I really have is Saver-Standard, I feel happy that I got one leg below Standard, instead of upset that I got one leg above Low