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MSPeconomist Jun 14, 2013 10:06 pm

Is the minimum number of cabin crew to board the same as the minimum number to fly?

javabytes Jun 14, 2013 10:24 pm


Originally Posted by StayingHomeIsBetter (Post 20925702)
Forgive the OT... but I recall seeing a tag on a plane (in the coat closet, of all places) stating something to the effect "Minimum legal staffing: 3 flight attendants."

Do all planes have a posting such as this displayed somewhere?

Even if it's not posted... one flight attendant per 50 passengers. What matters for this calculation is the plane's capacity, not how many passengers are actually flying.

GW McLintock Jun 14, 2013 10:28 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 20926191)
Is the minimum number of cabin crew to board the same as the minimum number to fly?

Now that I think about it, I believe so. The 767-300ER has 208 seats and at least 5 crewmembers were required to board the plane; I don't recall if it was specifically cabin crew or if it was just in general. My recent flights on a 737 (which ended up swapping to an A320 at the last moment) and a 757 both said at least 4 were required, so it certainly seems like that. I'm not sure if it's a Delta policy or if it's a FAR, but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the latter. I have the book in one of my bags and I'll take a look tomorrow to see if it says anything.

-J.

javabytes Jun 14, 2013 10:29 pm


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 20926191)
Is the minimum number of cabin crew to board the same as the minimum number to fly?

I believe so, but only have one personal experience to base that on. I flew out of SFO not too long ago and the flight attendants were on a delayed inbound flight. The gate rounded up 4 volunteer flight attendants to start boarding the 757 so when the other flight got in, ours could take off sooner.

ClipperDelta Jun 14, 2013 11:22 pm


Originally Posted by jzweighaft (Post 20926256)
Now that I think about it, I believe so. The 767-300ER has 208 seats and at least 5 crewmembers were required to board the plane; I don't recall if it was specifically cabin crew or if it was just in general.

-J.

Yes, a 763ER can go with 5 FAs (min of 1 per 50 pax). Usual staffing for a 763ER TATL for example is 7 FAs + 1 load factor FA. IIRC, the load factor FA was added if they anticipate having at least 27 BE pax (out of 35 BE seats).

troyintn Jun 15, 2013 5:46 am


Originally Posted by MSPeconomist (Post 20925483)
If the new hires aren't able and willing to cope with IROPs, perhaps it's better that DL learn this immediately.

A couple of years ago they ran into a pilot shortage towards the end of every month do to IROPs. So part of this is how lean do you want to run?

dEagleS Jun 15, 2013 6:51 am

Sounds like poor planning, and poor management.

HongKonger Jun 15, 2013 7:02 am


Originally Posted by dEagleS (Post 20927264)
Sounds like poor planning, and poor management.

By DL? Never!

HongKonger Jun 15, 2013 7:03 am


Originally Posted by NWAFA (Post 20925545)
Actually, let me take that back. Since my license has expired, I'd have to go in for requals. I'd fly again for a few weeks as I'm sure other retirees would too. Just to get them over the "hump". I do miss flying sometimes.

Anyone would be lucky to have you on their flight!

dEagleS Jun 15, 2013 7:12 am

I would think that they would have contingency plans in place for events that are fairly regular and predictable (e.g. bad weather). Perhaps not able to predict the exact time it will occur, but there are elements that can be used to form a comprehensive contingency and risk mitigation plan.

If the event, was say, a meteor striking the earth, that doesn't need to have a full contingency plan.

mtkeller Jun 15, 2013 7:15 am


Originally Posted by ClipperDelta (Post 20926407)
Yes, a 763ER can go with 5 FAs (min of 1 per 50 pax). Usual staffing for a 763ER TATL for example is 7 FAs + 1 load factor FA. IIRC, the load factor FA was added if they anticipate having at least 27 BE pax (out of 35 BE seats).

What's standard staffing on a domestic 763? I was on one last month MSP-LAX and the FA doing the announcements made a point of saying there were five of them on a very full flight in a tone that suggested it was less than they were used to.

dEagleS Jun 15, 2013 7:22 am

Well, assuming 2 in FC, that would leave 3 in Y. I would think that 4 in Y would be logical, but I don't remember off-hand.

bennos Jun 15, 2013 8:08 am


Originally Posted by readywhenyouare (Post 20925681)
I was under the impression that all domestic flights were only staffed to FAA standards of one f/a per 50 seats. I can understand overstating internationally but there is no significant cabin service on domestic flights. So what would the reason be for ever overstaffing the flight domestically?

BE TCON flights regularly go out with more than the minimums. eg: 75Es get 2J + 3Y for ~180 seats. But of course these flights are behaving more and more like international flights...

DiverDave Jun 15, 2013 9:12 am

Sp are we seeing any proactive cancellations yet?

David

BearX220 Jun 15, 2013 4:18 pm


Originally Posted by NWAFA (Post 20925545)
Actually, let me take that back. Since my license has expired, I'd have to go in for requals. I'd fly again for a few weeks as I'm sure other retirees would too. Just to get them over the "hump". I do miss flying sometimes.

And I miss you from our days on the FT WorldPerks board. Life with United these days is just awful. You Delta folks think you have planning and management issues over here, oh boy, come see our debacle.


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