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Delta Air Lines Boeing 747-400 Fleet Status/Information

Of 16 frames: 0 Active, 1 Preserved, 15 Retired/Stored,

Registration / Ship# (Delivery Month/Yr): Status/other information

N661US / 6301 (12/89): Preserved at the Delta Flight Museum. Was the first 744 ever built. Last revenue flight was HNL-ATL arriving on the morning of 09/09/15. Arrived at the Delta Flight Museum 04/30/2016 and was renovated to be a permanent exhibit. To learn more about the project visit this website. (DL museum website is here)
N662US / 6302 (03/89): Retired, flew to MZJ on 10/15/17. Was the first 744 (in 2012) to be renovated into the 376 pax configuration after the DL/NW merger.
N663US / 6303 (01/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ on 11/05/15.
N664US / 6304 (04/89): SCRAPPED, en-route (DTW-ICN) over China on 06/17/15, was severely damaged by hail. Temporary repairs to make it air-worthy were made. It flew directly from ICN to MZJ on 07/10/15.
N665US / 6305 (09/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ 12/01/16. Was the first 744 (in 2008) to be re-painted in the Delta livery after the DL/NW merger.
N666US / 6306 (08/89): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17. Was the last 744 (in 2017) to perform a revenue passenger flight (12/19/2017 DL158 ICN-DTW).
N667US / 6307 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 11/18/17.
N668US / 6308 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/06/17.
N669US / 6309 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/23/17.
N670US / 6310 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17.
N671US / 6311 (03/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 09/30/14. Due to 6304's damage, it was pulled from storage on 06/28/15 and re-entered revenue service. Was flown back to MZJ and re-retired on 10/31/15.
N672US / 6312 (07/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.
N673US / 6313 (08/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/31/16.
N674US / 6314 (10/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 01/03/18. Was the last 744 in the fleet to retire (in 2018).
N675NW / 6315 (03/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/25/15.
N676NW / 6316 (04/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.

Fleet Notes:

Final scheduled flight: DL158 ICN-DTW 12/19/17 (N666US).
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DL 747 fleet operation

Old May 18, 2013, 8:32 am
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Originally Posted by misterbean
DL295 ATL-NRT has been delayed 5 hours for 3 days in a row because of MX 3 days ago, since there is no spare bird.

Besides, the whole discussion started because DL announced the addition of 2 new TPAC routes, requiring 4 birds. Now that's stretched thin.
There were two parked at NRT South 1 Friday afternoon (NRT Friday- not US Friday).
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Old May 18, 2013, 8:41 am
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Originally Posted by BamaGirl
There were two parked at NRT South 1 Friday afternoon (NRT Friday- not US Friday).
You'll always see 747's at NRT in the afternoon as flight arrive in the early afternoon and intra-asia connections depart in the evening.
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Old May 18, 2013, 9:10 am
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Originally Posted by BamaGirl
There were two parked at NRT South 1 Friday afternoon (NRT Friday- not US Friday).
I started to think "why only two?" and then I realized that the routes ATL-JFK (delayed badly), JFK-NRT, and DTW-NRT were the only 747 routes at NRT that I can name. Am I missing some? Does one of these become the MNL flight? Or is there a 747 MNL-USA too?
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Old May 18, 2013, 10:44 am
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I believe there's a 747 from JFK that continues on to MNL (DL 173), a 747 from DTW that continues on to TPE (DL 275), and a 747 from ATL that turns around and heads back to ATL (DL 295).

I had to do an LGA-JFK ground connection to avoid the DL 295 situation today.
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Old May 18, 2013, 10:45 am
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Originally Posted by Builderman
I believe there's a 747 from JFK that continues on to MNL (DL 173), a 747 from DTW that continues on to TPE (DL 275), and a 747 from ATL that turns around and heads back to ATL (DL 295).

I had to do an LGA-JFK ground connection to avoid the DL 295 situation today.
Ouch. How miserable was it? Is JFK-NRT boarding yet?
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Old May 18, 2013, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
Ouch. How miserable was it? Is JFK-NRT boarding yet?
I'm in TPE now. This all happened yesterday in the states.

EDIT: And other than blowing $40 on a cab between LGA and JFK it wasn't too bad. I scored an upgrade on the flight to LGA and an op-up on NRT-TPE. The twitter people were fantastic. The phone people were useless and were convinced they couldn't book me the LGA/JFK transfer.
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Old May 18, 2013, 11:50 am
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Originally Posted by Builderman
And other than blowing $40 on a cab between LGA and JFK . . . .
You could've taken the 11 mile JFK/LGA Airtrain . . . . .


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Old May 18, 2013, 1:23 pm
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Originally Posted by misterbean
After the announcement of DTW-ICN going to 747 in August, I am wondering how DL is going to utilize their 16 747's...

Right now it's already spread pretty thin..
13 birds are required to maintain the schedule:
  • 7 birds for arrivals/departures in NRT (ATL, JFK, DTW, BKK, TPE, MNL, HNL)
  • 1 bird overnighting in ATL
  • 2 birds for JFK-TLV
  • 2 birds for DTW-NGO-MNL-NGO-DTW
  • 1 bird for HNL-KIX

DL is going to need 2 additional birds for DTW-ICN-DTW, bringing the total to 15/16.

Assuming the spare bird stays at NRT, this means any maintenance schedule must be coordinated to allow the spare bird to reposition, leaving the entire fleet without spares for IRROPS! Does anyone else think this is NUTS?

Looking at the current routes for post DTW-ICN change, all still show 747.

What do you think? Will any routes lose the 747 eventually? The obvious candidates are NRT-BKK and HNL-KIX since they are independent from other routes..

Am I missing something?
Delta will likely have codeshares on the JFK to NRT with Skymark in 2014 which will have service on A380 so this will allow them more flexibility.

But the orders are for 2014 and so my guess is Delta will be utilizing the full 747-400s till then, and later on they will have more flexibility on routes and be able to use more 747's for spares or whatnot.

NRT has the highest # of the Delta 747-400's now.


"7 birds for arrivals/departures in NRT (ATL, JFK, DTW, BKK, TPE, MNL, HNL)"

A380 through Skymark is on the JFK route. But considering Skymark is with 6 A380s ordered, it is unclear where the other A380s will be allocated.
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Old May 18, 2013, 10:16 pm
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Sorry if someone else has mentioned this already, but I got into a HKG apartment about midnight last night and I am not in sync just yet.

So the routine Saturday check of my future trips reveals that my 9/7 NRT-DTW has been changed from a 747 to a 777. I had 73A and was looking forward to this run but this is not a huge surprise.
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Old May 19, 2013, 1:52 am
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Alright, here's a summary of all info we gathered, confirmed by online schedule:
  • 6/1 - SEA-NRT moves to 747, probably utilizing the two birds currently in maintenance.
  • 7/27 - NRT-HNL moves to 2x 747 daily, now just 1x. Back to 1x daily 10/27. Seems like this is the spare bird from NRT.
  • 8/18-21 - DTW-ICN moves to 747 daily, requiring 2 birds. DTW-NRT and NRT-BKK move to 747 3-4x weekly (rest using 777). NRT-TPE moves to 747 3-5x weekly (rest using 763).
  • 10/1 - DTW-NGO-MNL-NGO-DTW moves to 5x weekly (4x was mentioned but schedule shows 5x).
  • 10/26 - NRT-HNL moves back to 1x 747 daily, HNL-KIX moves from 747 to 333.

So seems like the period from 7/27 until 8/18 is the toughest for this fleet, and then DL is letting some routes go.
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Old May 19, 2013, 12:52 pm
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Originally Posted by misterbean
DL295 ATL-NRT has been delayed 5 hours for 3 days in a row because of MX 3 days ago, since there is no spare bird.

Besides, the whole discussion started because DL announced the addition of 2 new TPAC routes, requiring 4 birds. Now that's stretched thin.
ATL - NRT still being delayed by 5 hours, 5 days in a row now. Todays flight not leaving till 1715 hours. Whatever is wrong with the aircraft must be pretty serious. I mean, even an engine change doesn't take 5 days. Was it in an accident of some sort? The 747 thats OOS appears to be N661US. Its last flight was 5 days ago on NRT - ATL.

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Old May 19, 2013, 1:01 pm
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The aircraft is flying, right, just consistently behind schedule? So I would guess that it required about five hours for maintenance but has quick turn times so there's no opportunity to catch up with the schedule. It's not like it's been in maintenance for five days unless DL is swapping the aircraft rotation around or doing different turns--i.e, the aircraft for ATL-NRT used to be the XXX-ATL bird, but now it's YYY-ATL. I had understood that it's a single tail number that's been late.
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Old May 19, 2013, 1:18 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
The aircraft is flying, right, just consistently behind schedule? So I would guess that it required about five hours for maintenance but has quick turn times so there's no opportunity to catch up with the schedule. It's not like it's been in maintenance for five days unless DL is swapping the aircraft rotation around or doing different turns--i.e, the aircraft for ATL-NRT used to be the XXX-ATL bird, but now it's YYY-ATL. I had understood that it's a single tail number that's been late.
Just to clarify....

The normal NRT-ATL-NRT rotation has the aircraft in ATL for approx 22 hours each day. Normally, "today's" NRT-ATL arrival (scheduled arrival 3 pm) operates "tomorrow's" ATL-NRT (scheduled departure 1:45 pm).

For the past few days, the same aircraft has been operating NRT-ATL-NRT, so today's NRT-ATL also operates today's ATL-NRT, with two or three hours ground time minimum to turn the aircraft.
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Old May 19, 2013, 1:26 pm
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Originally Posted by mnbp
Just to clarify....

The normal NRT-ATL-NRT rotation has the aircraft in ATL for approx 22 hours each day. Normally, "today's" NRT-ATL arrival (scheduled arrival 3 pm) operates "tomorrow's" ATL-NRT (scheduled departure 1:45 pm).

For the past few days, the same aircraft has been operating NRT-ATL-NRT, so today's NRT-ATL also operates today's ATL-NRT, with two or three hours ground time minimum to turn the aircraft.
Correct. N661US flew NRT-ATL 5 days ago and was supposed to be the overnighting aircraft, and has since been stuck in ATL. It was slated to rejoin the rotation for 2-3 of those 5 days, but ultimately didn't. NRT-ATL is supposed to depart at around 2pm, but without the overnighting aircraft, DL delays the flight until NRT-ATL lands at around 3pm, then turns it around.

I have no idea what is taking 5 days, but the fact that DL has not brought in an aircraft (even a 767 or a 777 or a 333, since 747's are lacking), makes me think this is a day-to-day decision, as they are working and working but so far unable to solve the problem.
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Old May 19, 2013, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by mnbp
Just to clarify....

The normal NRT-ATL-NRT rotation has the aircraft in ATL for approx 22 hours each day. Normally, "today's" NRT-ATL arrival (scheduled arrival 3 pm) operates "tomorrow's" ATL-NRT (scheduled departure 1:45 pm).

For the past few days, the same aircraft has been operating NRT-ATL-NRT, so today's NRT-ATL also operates today's ATL-NRT, with two or three hours ground time minimum to turn the aircraft.
That explains a lot, but I'm amazed that DL would schedule a 747 to normally be on the ground for 22 hours. Maybe in low season, if DL perceives that they have extra 747s, so that the parked one is basically a spare exATL, but not if those 747s can be used profitably somewhere in the network.

So apparently ATL-NRT is late every day because it's now waiting for the aircraft to arrive from some other route.

This sounds like an expensive mess for DL. I'm almost surprised that they haven't made some other arrangement to get most of those passengers into NRT in time for connections. For example, DL could notify people that there's an early 767 departure with a fuel stop on the west coast and try to reroute others through various other international gateways. Not good, but it beats rerouting through Europe with partner flights.
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