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Delta Air Lines Boeing 747-400 Fleet Status/Information

Of 16 frames: 0 Active, 1 Preserved, 15 Retired/Stored,

Registration / Ship# (Delivery Month/Yr): Status/other information

N661US / 6301 (12/89): Preserved at the Delta Flight Museum. Was the first 744 ever built. Last revenue flight was HNL-ATL arriving on the morning of 09/09/15. Arrived at the Delta Flight Museum 04/30/2016 and was renovated to be a permanent exhibit. To learn more about the project visit this website. (DL museum website is here)
N662US / 6302 (03/89): Retired, flew to MZJ on 10/15/17. Was the first 744 (in 2012) to be renovated into the 376 pax configuration after the DL/NW merger.
N663US / 6303 (01/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ on 11/05/15.
N664US / 6304 (04/89): SCRAPPED, en-route (DTW-ICN) over China on 06/17/15, was severely damaged by hail. Temporary repairs to make it air-worthy were made. It flew directly from ICN to MZJ on 07/10/15.
N665US / 6305 (09/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ 12/01/16. Was the first 744 (in 2008) to be re-painted in the Delta livery after the DL/NW merger.
N666US / 6306 (08/89): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17. Was the last 744 (in 2017) to perform a revenue passenger flight (12/19/2017 DL158 ICN-DTW).
N667US / 6307 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 11/18/17.
N668US / 6308 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/06/17.
N669US / 6309 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/23/17.
N670US / 6310 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17.
N671US / 6311 (03/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 09/30/14. Due to 6304's damage, it was pulled from storage on 06/28/15 and re-entered revenue service. Was flown back to MZJ and re-retired on 10/31/15.
N672US / 6312 (07/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.
N673US / 6313 (08/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/31/16.
N674US / 6314 (10/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 01/03/18. Was the last 744 in the fleet to retire (in 2018).
N675NW / 6315 (03/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/25/15.
N676NW / 6316 (04/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.

Fleet Notes:

Final scheduled flight: DL158 ICN-DTW 12/19/17 (N666US).
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DL 747 fleet operation

Old May 17, 2013, 11:20 am
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Originally Posted by tvnwz
There is only one flaw I can see in the argument: That the 747 fleet is stretched thin. It may have been the last year as ships were in for mods and one was stored. It allowed for only 13 or 14 to be in service at one time. Now, all the mods have been completed, the one in storage has been refitted and back in service, and with all planes up and running it should not be a stretch to add some service.

If anything, the 747 fleet has been underutilized for several years.
DL295 ATL-NRT has been delayed 5 hours for 3 days in a row because of MX 3 days ago, since there is no spare bird.

Besides, the whole discussion started because DL announced the addition of 2 new TPAC routes, requiring 4 birds. Now that's stretched thin.
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Old May 17, 2013, 11:33 am
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Thats 3 days of irops disruption due to 1 MX event. I'm sure there are a LOT of pax who have missed and are missing connections in NRT due to this.
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Old May 17, 2013, 11:35 am
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Originally Posted by rylan
Thats 3 days of irops disruption due to 1 MX event. I'm sure there are a LOT of pax who have missed and are missing connections in NRT due to this.
but will be accomodated once they get to NRT. Its probably costing DL a ton of money, but they will get the customer to there destination.
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Old May 17, 2013, 11:42 am
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Originally Posted by misterbean
DL295 ATL-NRT has been delayed 5 hours for 3 days in a row because of MX 3 days ago, since there is no spare bird.

Besides, the whole discussion started because DL announced the addition of 2 new TPAC routes, requiring 4 birds. Now that's stretched thin.
And that has never happened with any other fleet type?
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Old May 17, 2013, 12:35 pm
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Originally Posted by HongKonger
We can. The Concorde worked out for a while but you don't see anyone eager to start a supersonic service now do you?
SST had the sound barrier issue to deal with. But according to reports which have been around for awhile, the fastest classified jets only emitted a humming sound or no sound at all which can go incredibly fast.

Now I realize for classification they will want to remain ahead of the curve and also I realize there could be pressurization issues inherent in these designs, but it does seem conceivable we can get something faster that doesn't create a sonic boom and that doesn't have the full capability of the classified realm.

Current designs are at 0.85 Mach 567 mph (913 km/h) for the crusing speed on a 747-400.

I am suggesting we can get faster.

"Concorde SST Mach 2 52,000 feet (16,000 m) 1.94 93 "

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Old May 17, 2013, 1:25 pm
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Anyone remember the Sonic Cruiser that Boeing had plans for? It was supposed to fly at near but below 1.0
That got scrapped and the 787 eventually came out instead.
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Old May 17, 2013, 1:34 pm
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The fuel burn increases exponentially to go past about M.85. Will there be something some day that can go faster for a modest increase in fuel burn? Probably, but its not here yet.
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Old May 17, 2013, 2:04 pm
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Originally Posted by misterbean
DL295 ATL-NRT has been delayed 5 hours for 3 days in a row because of MX 3 days ago, since there is no spare bird.
The current utilization is not overly stretched. The situation you cited is exacerbated by having 2 744s out of service and undergoing routine maintenance (ships 6302 and 6314 I believe) currently. If the full fleet had been operating, you would not have had those cascading delays with ship 6301's MX issue.
The fleet will be a bit more stretched this summer though when SEA-NRT goes 744.
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Old May 17, 2013, 2:08 pm
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Originally Posted by ClipperDelta
The current utilization is not overly stretched. The situation you cited is exacerbated by having 2 744s out of service and undergoing routine maintenance (ships 6302 and 6314 I believe) currently. If the full fleet had been operating, you would not have had those cascading delays with ship 6301's MX issue.
The fleet will be a bit more stretched this summer though when SEA-NRT goes 744.
Agreed. Also DTW-ICN this August.
Also, with these two routes added, how exactly is DL going to do maintenance on these birds?

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Old May 17, 2013, 2:30 pm
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Originally Posted by misterbean
Also, with these two routes added, how exactly is DL going to do maintenance on these birds?
That's why they are doing preventive maintenance now, when there is some slack, before the summer peak. When DTW-ICN starts though, as others have mentioned, there will be some cuts in the 744 utilization on some other routes, probably in the HNL markets (weak yen, etc.)
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Old May 18, 2013, 3:08 am
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Originally Posted by ClipperDelta
The current utilization is not overly stretched. The situation you cited is exacerbated by having 2 744s out of service and undergoing routine maintenance (ships 6302 and 6314 I believe) currently. If the full fleet had been operating, you would not have had those cascading delays with ship 6301's MX issue.
The fleet will be a bit more stretched this summer though when SEA-NRT goes 744.
Given this reality, it would have been helpful if DL would have alerted me to the NRT misconnection before 2:30 am when I was leaving home at 4 am.

An announcement while inflight said that everyone on board would get a $100 voucher. That is nowhere near adequate for the mess they made out of my $5.6K BE ticket (OKC-ATL-NRT-HKG).
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Old May 18, 2013, 3:14 am
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Originally Posted by DL2SXM
but will be accomodated once they get to NRT. Its probably costing DL a ton of money, but they will get the customer to there destination.
Maybe the passengers will be reaccomodated but it can be a pain to change terminals at NRT and not much fun to be forced to overnight at NRT as the airport hotel options aren't attractive, even if DL pays.

Moreover, how would DL handle those who have paid a lot for tickets but ae using SWUs or miles to upgrade? It would be very annoying to be rebooked in coach on another carrier.
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Old May 18, 2013, 4:19 am
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Originally Posted by adamj023
Originally Posted by HongKonger
We can. The Concorde worked out for a while but you don't see anyone eager to start a supersonic service now do you?
SST had the sound barrier issue to deal with. But according to reports which have been around for awhile, the fastest classified jets only emitted a humming sound or no sound at all which can go incredibly fast.

Now I realize for classification they will want to remain ahead of the curve and also I realize there could be pressurization issues inherent in these designs, but it does seem conceivable we can get something faster that doesn't create a sonic boom and that doesn't have the full capability of the classified realm.

Current designs are at 0.85 Mach 567 mph (913 km/h) for the crusing speed on a 747-400.

I am suggesting we can get faster.

"Concorde SST Mach 2 52,000 feet (16,000 m) 1.94 93 "
Those designs are also outrageously expensive and not large enough to carry paying passengers and the pilots have to wear oxygen masks. Even if those issues were overcome, no commercial carrier is going to use them. They would offer significant savings in time but at a large multiple of the price which would not make it economical to offer to the mass market.

I'm not saying it will never happen, but it's not happening anytime soon.
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Old May 18, 2013, 4:48 am
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Originally Posted by misterbean
AFAIK there's only 1 747 a day on this route, even up until now. The 3rd daily seems like it's also a 767.
starting July 29
DL0639 HNL NRT 1010 1305 744 +1
DL0607 HNL NRT 1150 1515 76Z +1
DL0579 HNL NRT 1300 1600 744 +1

DL0638 NRT HNL 1940 0800 744
DL0608 NRT HNL 2000 0855 76Z
DL0578 NRT HNL 2100 0920 744

The 2nd 747 flight ends 9/3

also DTW-NRT is going to 4x weekly 777 3x weekly 744. starting the same day as ICN goes daily 744

DL0275 DTW NRT 1535 1730 777 +1 x246
DL0275 DTW NRT 1535 1730 744 +1 246

DL0276 NRT DTW 1515 1400 777 x246
DL0276 NRT DTW 1515 1400 744 246

Also NRT-BKK will do the same and follow the same days.

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Old May 18, 2013, 7:03 am
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Originally Posted by Xeno
Given this reality, it would have been helpful if DL would have alerted me to the NRT misconnection before 2:30 am when I was leaving home at 4 am.

An announcement while inflight said that everyone on board would get a $100 voucher. That is nowhere near adequate for the mess they made out of my $5.6K BE ticket (OKC-ATL-NRT-HKG).
You should have asked for a re-route.
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