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Delta Air Lines Boeing 747-400 Fleet Status/Information

Of 16 frames: 0 Active, 1 Preserved, 15 Retired/Stored,

Registration / Ship# (Delivery Month/Yr): Status/other information

N661US / 6301 (12/89): Preserved at the Delta Flight Museum. Was the first 744 ever built. Last revenue flight was HNL-ATL arriving on the morning of 09/09/15. Arrived at the Delta Flight Museum 04/30/2016 and was renovated to be a permanent exhibit. To learn more about the project visit this website. (DL museum website is here)
N662US / 6302 (03/89): Retired, flew to MZJ on 10/15/17. Was the first 744 (in 2012) to be renovated into the 376 pax configuration after the DL/NW merger.
N663US / 6303 (01/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ on 11/05/15.
N664US / 6304 (04/89): SCRAPPED, en-route (DTW-ICN) over China on 06/17/15, was severely damaged by hail. Temporary repairs to make it air-worthy were made. It flew directly from ICN to MZJ on 07/10/15.
N665US / 6305 (09/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ 12/01/16. Was the first 744 (in 2008) to be re-painted in the Delta livery after the DL/NW merger.
N666US / 6306 (08/89): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17. Was the last 744 (in 2017) to perform a revenue passenger flight (12/19/2017 DL158 ICN-DTW).
N667US / 6307 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 11/18/17.
N668US / 6308 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/06/17.
N669US / 6309 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/23/17.
N670US / 6310 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17.
N671US / 6311 (03/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 09/30/14. Due to 6304's damage, it was pulled from storage on 06/28/15 and re-entered revenue service. Was flown back to MZJ and re-retired on 10/31/15.
N672US / 6312 (07/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.
N673US / 6313 (08/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/31/16.
N674US / 6314 (10/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 01/03/18. Was the last 744 in the fleet to retire (in 2018).
N675NW / 6315 (03/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/25/15.
N676NW / 6316 (04/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.

Fleet Notes:

Final scheduled flight: DL158 ICN-DTW 12/19/17 (N666US).
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Old May 9, 2015, 10:42 am
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Originally Posted by Longboater
The A350s look more like an expansion aircraft than a replacement of the 747. If Delta was doing that poorly with the 747 when the Yen crashed, I don't know why they didn't purchase 10 or so 77Ws to come in sooner than any other widebody.
It also surprised me that they also delayed the 787 deliveries all the way to 2020 which at least in my eyes doesn't really make any sense to delay an order that will give you more fuel efficiency over what you currently have. Anyways since the A350s will be considered a downgrade in capacity I wonder who will take the place of the 747s once they retire in 2017? Could this mean that in the future there is a possibility of 777X?
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Old May 9, 2015, 12:10 pm
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The 787 is still a new and relatively untested aircraft, not the sort that RA favors for the DL fleet. They're also relatively expensive since they're still in demand with waiting orders.
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Old May 9, 2015, 1:04 pm
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Originally Posted by MSPeconomist
The 787 is still a new and relatively untested aircraft, not the sort that RA favors for the DL fleet.
Please....

This kind of comment may have been true 2 or 3 years ago, but not anymore.

Now, if you had said 'at the time DL made their purchasing decision, the 78x was a new and relatively untested aircraft', then I would agree with you.

Especially if you had added "and DL appears to like to test the service life of really old and much less expensive aircraft."

And, for you 747 lovers (and, speaking of old aircraft), UA says they will be flying them until 2020! We'll see how their reliability holds up...

Would love it if DL (or AA or UA) would go with the 748, just don't see that happening though.
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Old May 9, 2015, 2:13 pm
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Originally Posted by ClipperDelta
As mentioned upthread, around four new 242-t A333s will be joining the fleet by the end of the year, and there are some interesting changes loaded so far for the winter schedule:

ATL-GIG: A333 (764 last winter)
VERY strange as this EQP rarely has cargo issues, or is full (compared to, say, SCL or GRU...

Is this eqp going to haul more cargo or pax than a 764?
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Old May 9, 2015, 6:53 pm
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Originally Posted by LarkSFO
Please....

This kind of comment may have been true 2 or 3 years ago, but not anymore.

Now, if you had said 'at the time DL made their purchasing decision, the 78x was a new and relatively untested aircraft', then I would agree with you.

Especially if you had added "and DL appears to like to test the service life of really old and much less expensive aircraft."

And, for you 747 lovers (and, speaking of old aircraft), UA says they will be flying them until 2020! We'll see how their reliability holds up...

Would love it if DL (or AA or UA) would go with the 748, just don't see that happening though.
While yes, UA will still fly the 744 after DL retires them the actual seating product in their 744s is not very good as in Economy they don't have personal screens and overall their Business Product isn't really on par with DL's but that's just my opinion. But the 787 is technically still pretty new when compared to other aircraft around except the A350 but as we all know DL usually doesn't like to buy the newest of the new so we can kind of expect this behavior from DL.
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Old May 9, 2015, 11:32 pm
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Originally Posted by deltaflyer08
While yes, UA will still fly the 744 after DL retires them the actual seating product in their 744s is not very good as in Economy they don't have personal screens and overall their Business Product isn't really on par with DL's but that's just my opinion. But the 787 is technically still pretty new when compared to other aircraft around except the A350 but as we all know DL usually doesn't like to buy the newest of the new so we can kind of expect this behavior from DL.
Agree: Friends don't let friends fly UA's 747's in Y. (I like UA's C seats, and love the GF hard product.)

Although, the wifi is finally up and running at least!

DL definitely has a strategy with aircraft, and seems pretty disciplined in sticking to it. And, it certainly seems to be working for them.
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Old May 11, 2015, 6:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Longboater
I would have figured with the continuing Yen devaluations the HNL-Japan markets would be particularly hard.
The flight loads still seem good (though the profitability is another question, of course), and now there is more traffic going the other way (USA->Japan), so whatever was lost of Japan->USA has been made up, at least partly, by USA->Japan bound travel.
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Old May 18, 2015, 12:00 pm
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Looking at the 2016 schedules, all the current 747 routes are dropped and downgaged to 767 or A330, save for DTW-ICN and DTW-NRT-MNL. (The wiki should be updated with the other upcoming 747 route drops.) So, it looks like the end of DL 747s is truly near. Going into 2016, it appears that DTW-ICN and DTW-NRT-MNL will be, as per the current schedules, the only surving 747 routes (with I guess then 3 operating 747s?).
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Old May 18, 2015, 1:54 pm
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Originally Posted by RealHJ
Looking at the 2016 schedules, all the current 747 routes are dropped and downgaged to 767 or A330, save for DTW-ICN and DTW-NRT-MNL. (The wiki should be updated with the other upcoming 747 route drops.) So, it looks like the end of DL 747s is truly near. Going into 2016, it appears that DTW-ICN and DTW-NRT-MNL will be, as per the current schedules, the only surving 747 routes (with I guess then 3 operating 747s?).
Winter schedule is out, big cuts to HNL-Japan. HNL-NRT is now eleven times a week with only 76Zs, HNL-KIX daily on 76Zs and HNL-NGO/FUK less than daily. This is in addition to the downgauging of SEA-ICN/PEK/PVG from A332s to 767s and reduction of weekly frequency. SEA-HKG is less than daily. It appears the only scheduled 747 flights left are DTW-NRT-MNL and DTW-ICN with schedule of DTW-NRT-MNL-NRT-DTW-ICN-DTW for the remaining planes. Only DTW-NRT-MNL-NRT-DTW will as daily. Seems Delta was serious when they mentioned big cuts to the Pacific. With the 242 MTOW A333 likely replacing 777s on MSP/LAX-NRT, the 747 might be completely retired before the first A350-900 shows up in Q2 2017.
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Old May 18, 2015, 2:40 pm
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Originally Posted by Longboater
Winter schedule is out, big cuts to HNL-Japan. HNL-NRT is now eleven times a week with only 76Zs, HNL-KIX daily on 76Zs and HNL-NGO/FUK less than daily. This is in addition to the downgauging of SEA-ICN/PEK/PVG from A332s to 767s and reduction of weekly frequency. SEA-HKG is less than daily. It appears the only scheduled 747 flights left are DTW-NRT-MNL and DTW-ICN with schedule of DTW-NRT-MNL-NRT-DTW-ICN-DTW for the remaining planes. Only DTW-NRT-MNL-NRT-DTW will as daily. Seems Delta was serious when they mentioned big cuts to the Pacific. With the 242 MTOW A333 likely replacing 777s on MSP/LAX-NRT, the 747 might be completely retired before the first A350-900 shows up in Q2 2017.
Indeed. Precisely what I saw.

Looks like 2016 will be the last year for DL 747s, if they even make it into 2016 (I wouldn't be surprised if the last remaining DTW-NRT-MNL and DTW-ICN also have the 747s cut for 2016 schedules later this year).

Big cuts to/from HNL also. DL has went back and forth with some of those in the past (HNL-FUK went from daily, how it had been for years, to 5x weekly back and then to daily not long ago, now looks like going to 5x weekly again. Same for HNL-NGO.). Still though, while other airlines keep increasing capacity to HNL (JL not long ago changed from 767s to 777s for HNL-KIX and HNL-NGO), DL keeps reducing. Doesn't seem that DL is doing too well competitively (or, just as likely, is not making margins as high as it wants on the routes, and thinks that by reducing frequency it can jack up prices and comandeer the market to pay that, assuming that when it cuts supply others won't step in to pick up the slack and increase the supply).
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Old May 18, 2015, 4:06 pm
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Originally Posted by RealHJ
Indeed. Precisely what I saw.

Looks like 2016 will be the last year for DL 747s, if they even make it into 2016 (I wouldn't be surprised if the last remaining DTW-NRT-MNL and DTW-ICN also have the 747s cut for 2016 schedules later this year).

Big cuts to/from HNL also. DL has went back and forth with some of those in the past (HNL-FUK went from daily, how it had been for years, to 5x weekly back and then to daily not long ago, now looks like going to 5x weekly again. Same for HNL-NGO.). Still though, while other airlines keep increasing capacity to HNL (JL not long ago changed from 767s to 777s for HNL-KIX and HNL-NGO), DL keeps reducing. Doesn't seem that DL is doing too well competitively (or, just as likely, is not making margins as high as it wants on the routes, and thinks that by reducing frequency it can jack up prices and comandeer the market to pay that, assuming that when it cuts supply others won't step in to pick up the slack and increase the supply).
I don't think they'll have enough aircraft to completely eliminate the 747s by year's end unless they cut routes, which they have indicated won't happen. They'll have eight 242 MTOW A333s by YE 2016, likely filling in on JFK-TLV/LAX/MSP-NRT moving the 777s and A332s elsewhere. The 747 will probably be retired by the end of 2016 with DTW-NRT being the final route. Next year might also be the end of the NRT hub as SEA-TPE/MNL are rumoured to be the next nonstops from SEA, leaving just NRT-PVG/BKK/SIN and the Japan-ROR/SPN/GUM still sticking around. Should Delta decide to vacate those routes from NRT, keep in mind they still have fifth freedom rights at HKG inherited from NW. The Yen devaluation and lack of JV partner at NRT has really hurt Delta and rapidly hastened the end of the NRT hub. Its going to be a while before open skies between USA and PRC, so this new PVG hub idea won't happen until......
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Old May 18, 2015, 8:09 pm
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Problem is SEA-Asia nonstops do nothing for those of us on the east coast.
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Old May 19, 2015, 3:12 am
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Wonder how much of these cuts is due to capacity vs cost running these older birds...
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Old May 19, 2015, 6:56 am
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Originally Posted by rylan
Problem is SEA-Asia nonstops do nothing for those of us on the east coast.
How are the 744's running these days, mechanically? Saw many reports up thread of 744's going mechanical at DTW, resulting in missed connections at Narita. Don't want to end up in that boat next week, as we have further onward travel right after our DL DTW-NRT-BKK.
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Old May 19, 2015, 8:25 am
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Hasn't seemed like any major issues besides the one or two DTW incidents lately. Last year before the first round of equip retirements when the fleet was being fully utilized with little slack, an MX issue caused ripples for days.

The DL 744 fleet is doing much better for MX issues than the UA 744s.
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