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Delta Air Lines Boeing 747-400 Fleet Status/Information

Of 16 frames: 0 Active, 1 Preserved, 15 Retired/Stored,

Registration / Ship# (Delivery Month/Yr): Status/other information

N661US / 6301 (12/89): Preserved at the Delta Flight Museum. Was the first 744 ever built. Last revenue flight was HNL-ATL arriving on the morning of 09/09/15. Arrived at the Delta Flight Museum 04/30/2016 and was renovated to be a permanent exhibit. To learn more about the project visit this website. (DL museum website is here)
N662US / 6302 (03/89): Retired, flew to MZJ on 10/15/17. Was the first 744 (in 2012) to be renovated into the 376 pax configuration after the DL/NW merger.
N663US / 6303 (01/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ on 11/05/15.
N664US / 6304 (04/89): SCRAPPED, en-route (DTW-ICN) over China on 06/17/15, was severely damaged by hail. Temporary repairs to make it air-worthy were made. It flew directly from ICN to MZJ on 07/10/15.
N665US / 6305 (09/89): SCRAPPED, flew to MZJ 12/01/16. Was the first 744 (in 2008) to be re-painted in the Delta livery after the DL/NW merger.
N666US / 6306 (08/89): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17. Was the last 744 (in 2017) to perform a revenue passenger flight (12/19/2017 DL158 ICN-DTW).
N667US / 6307 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 11/18/17.
N668US / 6308 (07/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/06/17.
N669US / 6309 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/23/17.
N670US / 6310 (08/90): Retired, flew to MZJ 12/26/17.
N671US / 6311 (03/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 09/30/14. Due to 6304's damage, it was pulled from storage on 06/28/15 and re-entered revenue service. Was flown back to MZJ and re-retired on 10/31/15.
N672US / 6312 (07/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.
N673US / 6313 (08/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/31/16.
N674US / 6314 (10/99): Retired, flew to MZJ 01/03/18. Was the last 744 in the fleet to retire (in 2018).
N675NW / 6315 (03/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/25/15.
N676NW / 6316 (04/02): Retired, flew to MZJ 10/01/14.

Fleet Notes:

Final scheduled flight: DL158 ICN-DTW 12/19/17 (N666US).
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Old Dec 16, 2014, 4:36 pm
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Oops, I read "when" rather than "why".

I would assume it's route optimization? Use a 330 where they can't fill a 747, and stick a 747 where they're routinely filling the flights. I don't see a drop in frequency (4X daily DTW-AMS before and after 3/28, although oddly flying on 3/28 has a $4000 markup vs flying on the 27th ).
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Old Dec 16, 2014, 6:53 pm
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Knowing Delta, they will probably try to delay an aircraft order or two while fuel prices are cheap. It is also, as posted above, a good time to get their more fuel efficient aircraft in the shop for any needed upgrades or maintenance.
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Old Dec 17, 2014, 6:14 am
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Yeah with oil prices going through the floor, I wonder if that'll make them delay retirement any. It certainly makes the payback period of the more efficient jets a lot longer.

Could be a good time to load up on hedges also.
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Old Dec 17, 2014, 6:33 am
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Originally Posted by deltaflyer08
Any ideas on why DL is moving some 747s from Asia to Europe?
Demand to Asia isn't what it should be and yields are down. Europe is surprisingly strong given Europe's allergy to economic growth.
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Old Dec 17, 2014, 11:48 am
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I hope that I am not beating a dead horse or bringing up something that has already be discussed on another thread, but why not turn the 747's into Combi's like KLM?

The question comes from a place of total bias. I love the 747's, flow in the UD on four different occasions, loved every second. So why not move the 747's to SEA as Combi's the fly to SIN, ICN, HKG, CDG, FRA, PEK, and other heavy cargo places. Use the new a350's out of JFK because you have new product for New York.

Just eliminate rows 51-67 and redo the floor and back doors. I know that the heavy checks are coming up for the 747 and that is part of the reason that DL is getting rid of them. But didn't Delta just spend several billion to update them? Again a place of total love of the 747 and sorrow that it is going.

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Old Dec 17, 2014, 1:47 pm
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Originally Posted by pbarnette
Demand to Asia isn't what it should be and yields are down. Europe is surprisingly strong given Europe's allergy to economic growth.
The strong US dollar and (generally) improving economy here may be filling more O&D seats from our side perhaps.
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Old Dec 18, 2014, 1:41 pm
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Originally Posted by rylan
Yeah with oil prices going through the floor, I wonder if that'll make them delay retirement any. It certainly makes the payback period of the more efficient jets a lot longer.

Could be a good time to load up on hedges also.
With the 744s, fuel is only one factor. Maintenance is really the big one, along with filling them.

Originally Posted by bkamdg
I hope that I am not beating a dead horse or bringing up something that has already be discussed on another thread, but why not turn the 747's into Combi's like KLM?

The question comes from a place of total bias. I love the 747's, flow in the UD on four different occasions, loved every second. So why not move the 747's to SEA as Combi's the fly to SIN, ICN, HKG, CDG, FRA, PEK, and other heavy cargo places. Use the new a350's out of JFK because you have new product for New York.

Just eliminate rows 51-67 and redo the floor and back doors. I know that the heavy checks are coming up for the 747 and that is part of the reason that DL is getting rid of them. But didn't Delta just spend several billion to update them? Again a place of total love of the 747 and sorrow that it is going.

Please tell me why I shouldn't be the replacement for Richard Anderson
The cargo market has an immense glut of capacity right now. SQ has been parking freighters, KL and OZ have too many freighters for the Korean market as is, etc. Every plane from a 737 on up to the A380 has cargo and with more and more planes flying more and more places, the role of dedicted / combi freighters just isn't going to be very lucrative.
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Old Dec 18, 2014, 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by bkamdg
But didn't Delta just spend several billion to update them?
?? Good lord, I hope not. They were only $2XX million new.
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Old Dec 18, 2014, 3:26 pm
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I heard that Delta has now pushed the retirement of the fourth 744 back to next fall.
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Old Dec 18, 2014, 6:27 pm
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Originally Posted by WestSideBilly
The cargo market has an immense glut of capacity right now. SQ has been parking freighters, KL and OZ have too many freighters for the Korean market as is, etc. Every plane from a 737 on up to the A380 has cargo and with more and more planes flying more and more places, the role of dedicted / combi freighters just isn't going to be very lucrative.
Not to mention that NW/DL at time of merger retired the 747 freighter fleet including the 74Fs (front loading) as well as some former passenger 742s that were converted to SCF/Side Cargo Freight (e.g. only side load vs. front and side). If DL really needed to get back into the biz which as mentioned has a glut of capacity, they already have those A/C. Otoh, iirc there was a plan prior to the NW/DL merger that had the large freight contract (DHL or ???) not been lost, there were plans to start converting some of the older 744s into SCFs back in the mid-late 2000s, those days are gone...
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Old Dec 19, 2014, 6:41 am
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Originally Posted by henwood
Private jumbo indeed. My wife and I went MNL-NRT in the upper deck. No other pax at all. FA very good to us the whole way. Captain showed me the cockpit and took pics after I commented on how sad it is to see these birds go away. Very cool.
Mind sharing what year this was?
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Old Dec 19, 2014, 8:52 am
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Oct. 2014. 2 months ago. I used 2 GUC's to upgrade us for the ride home. Went MNL-NRT-DTW-DFW-SLC.
BTW, NRT-DTW upper deck completely full. Only ride from MNL-NRT was empty except for my wife and I.
And in case you are assuming I meant I visited the cockpit during flight, no. It was still on the ground in MNL.
Sorry if it sounded that way.
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Old Jan 14, 2015, 1:57 pm
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Looks like one of the four 744s has been granted an official reprieve and might even spend its summer flying ATL-HNL. I suspect that's to rotate the planes through maintenance?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-0...747-s-end.html
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Old Jan 14, 2015, 2:02 pm
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Originally Posted by jrkmsp
Looks like one of the four 744s has been granted an official reprieve and might even spend its summer flying ATL-HNL. I suspect that's to rotate the planes through maintenance?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-0...747-s-end.html
^

I wasn't able to make things work to get one to Europe this year. I'm sure I can find an excuse to take Mrs. Lee to Hawaii, though.
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Old Jan 14, 2015, 4:07 pm
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Originally Posted by jrkmsp
Looks like one of the four 744s has been granted an official reprieve and might even spend its summer flying ATL-HNL. I suspect that's to rotate the planes through maintenance?

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-0...747-s-end.html
I wonder if the fact that fuel prices are down (I filled up for $1.99/gal today in suburban D.C.) has something to do with this "spare" 747 getting more fly time with DL. Great news
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